Hey, First question is when i do a search on overture and i get a result, is this reflects a searches on Yahoo, or on Google? in anyway, i have 1 keyword for 6k searches and the website is on page 8 on google, other keyword is 14k searches and it is page 23 on google. i would say those are very good keywords and can generate tons of traffic. now the funny thing is that my main website page, is not a 100% optimized for those keywords and so are directory submissions that we did in the past, now if i am going to optimize it better, i am afraid i will loose my current position on google, can that happen for any reason? now another part of my question is that we ordered 10 - 15 uniqe rich content articles 400 - 600 words that are related to those keywords (any many other simmiler keywords) where would be the best place to publish them and would it be a good idea to publish on multiple article directories? (and which directories exist?) Edit: i have used another keyword estimator and found out that 1 keyword has about 20k searches from all SE (page 9 on google) and the other one has 48k searches from all SE (page 23). based on: http://tools.seobook.com/general/keyword/#results Robert
I think that Overature pulls from everyone EXCEPT Google! I also know that if you don't pay for their service, they give you search stats from like January or something!! I don't really use them!! This is the one that use HERE and they have other search sites in there as well after you do the initial search! I hope this helps!!
well it is interesting to know if it's accurate or not, the other tools mentioned from this page you gave me are not so accurate as they say much lower results then overture says. after a quick check out the first keyword is getting 13k results from google, and a total of 20k over all. the other keyword that is on page 23 (which i do not receive traffic from it yet) has 28k searches a month just from Google and an over all of 48.5k searches a month! (should i re-post this thread ? ) So it is interesting to know the exact amount of searches this keywords have, but would be also great if i receive some traffic from it by optimizing my pages better, any suggestions? Robert
Hey Robert, For the first question, the answer is Yahoo. This is where Overture gets its data from. However, you should be aware of the fact that the number of hits you mentioned are actually far smaller. Overture skews the data it shows, if you want to find out more details you can check out this post which covers keyword research: http://www.seoreef.com/2007/10/21/overture-vs-wordtracker-vs-keyword-discovery-vs-google-adwords/ - I am still new, so I can't place links in my posts, that's why you'll have to copy and paste the address in your browser. . If you are afraid that you are going to lose page 8 and page 23 rankings, that shouldn't be a problem. Page 8 and page 23 are not going to give you too much hits. However, if you know how to optimize your page correctly, there can't be any reason why you shouldn't try it. And if you want to get the best out of those articles, you should submit them to the most important article directories, like Ezine Articles, Article Dashboard, etc. Now there's a good way and a bad way to submit articles, but that's another story. I usually use my hot content on my pages and get backlinks from elsewhere rather than the article directories. That's what gets me to top 10.
Hey, after using word tracker and unserstanding it, well one keyword now is 2.6k a month and the other one is 13k (on all search engines, which i think is very low for the 2 keywords i have) anyway i think i will keep the results for later when i see traffic i can say i achieved what i needed and also better SERP. I bought about 10 articles, would u say it's better to seperate them i.e long articles would go to an article directory, shorter articles can be posted on blogs, or just mix it all up and make duplications every where of the text? btw, my website can't be much of a hot content cause it's not an information related. however we want to add a blog to it in order to add much more info as well, but that would be after the main goal of optimizing the main website itself. any suggestions related to articles, on-page seo and whatever you can think about would be awesome.
Ok, first of all, you should start with the "dreaded" keyword research. . Although you are only thinking about 2 keywords, the reality is that those keywords probably have many long tailed ones that are anxiously looking for your attention . Another question you need to ask is: will the keywords convert? Anyway, since your site is not an informational platform (in the strict kind of way), all that's left for you to do is to properly optimize the other onsite factors: title tags, meta tags, H1-H6, site structure. Then, I suggest you get some niche "real estate". A blog would be very good, since it's possible to use it as an information platform. If you think you can gather the audience, you can also build a forum. A Squidoo page would also help. And the list could go on. There is no shortage of what you can do, there's only the shortage of time and maybe manpower. If you bought 10 articles, then you can either use them on your blog - if you have a hard time writing yourself - or if not, then yes, you can submit them to article directories. The most perfect way to do this is to submit a different article to every directory, but no one has the time to do that. Just remember to modify the anchor texts of your backlinks in the articles every 5-10 submitted articles or so, because that's what articles are for esentially (although they can also bring you some traffic). However, I would not insist too much in article submission. And then, you can start real backlink building. Good luck with your endeavors.
Talking of Overture, I think their analysis means nothing..I really wonder if anybody other than webmasters use them.. At the max, Overture should be telling you how many webmasters are looking to make a website on that niche..that's it..
agreed. Overture shouldn't be the only tool you use to find a niche, you might actually have to start searching the internet
alright thanks, i would use word tracker in addition to overture to see the results from other point of view. if you had 100$ for promotion for a start and after u have done pretty much good directory submissions, what other ways come first after that? Robert
I wouldn't rely that much on directory submissions. I don't know if you know, but Google is after catching paid links. Since their algorithms for doing that are not very developed, what they can do is find patterns. And one such pattern is your common link directory which request money for immediate inclusion. The only link directories you should worry about are DMOZ, Yahoo, Business and maybe a few more. What you need to do is get really valuable backlinks from related websites.
thanks Paul, but directory submissions are what helped me achieve that possision on Google for some of my keywords, i think i will create more anchor texts and more descriptions and would submit only to a PR3+ directories regarding valuable links, i will try to contact websites that are talking about my business market and ask them if they can link back to me, unfortunately i can't link this websites back (that's why i am thinking of paid linkings) I did some more keyword research, and have some results from different keyword tools. Could you think of any real figure that my keyword is researched among those results, here they are: OverTure, WordTracker & Keyword Discovery. - OT - 105000 (only yahoo) - WT - 49000 (all SE?) - KD - 28000 (all SE?) The Word Tracker i multiplied the amount on 30 days, and it reflects the Searches on all search engines, amount KD i don't really know what the number means, is it per a month? I also used Keyword Elite but it is showing the same results as OverTure, and i used http://tools.seobook.com/general/keyword/#results which is horible tool, what it does is just takes the OverTure amount of searches, for MSN it is divided by 2, and for Google it was doubled by 2, so if you had 100k for OverTure, it would shows 50k for msn and 200k for Google.
I don't really think that directory submissions is what took you in the SERPs. If you want real advice, I need to know specifics. PM me and we'll establish a 30 mins meeting via Yahoo Messenger or MSN. Then, if we ever meet in this lifetime, you can buy me a beer .