65 in allinanchor but not in search results.

Discussion in 'SEO' started by Help Desk, Jul 22, 2004.

  1. #1
    I tried to get my site, thinkbling.com, to get into the search results for the word "Bling". No such luck thus far. I have more backlinks than most of the top 5 sites and I am about 65th for an Allinanchor search on bling. I don't expect to be in the 100, but I don't appear to be in the top 900.

    Any thoughts?
     
    Help Desk, Jul 22, 2004 IP
  2. compar

    compar Peon

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    How recent are the backlinks? Are your links still in the sandbox?
     
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  3. Help Desk

    Help Desk Well-Known Member

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    I previously had 19 backlinks. After the last backlink update I now have over 190. These are probably all new new pages on exisiting PageRanked websites.
     
    Help Desk, Jul 23, 2004 IP
  4. janecompersnews

    janecompersnews Well-Known Member

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    You have 192 links to your site. 41 Internal, 151 external.

    83 of those links are from your C Class domains (www.thinkbling.com, forums.thinkbling.com, blogger.thinkbling.com)

    The majority of your external backlinks (or those that are listed by G) are forum posts, which in turn only originate from less than a dozen sites. I don't believe that multiple links from the same site are worth the same as a similar amount of links from lots of different sites.

    The only forum acknowledging your signature of 'bling' is Digital Point. The anchor text from your links at Digital Point state 'Visit ThinkBling's homepage!' 'thinkbling.com' and 'bling'.

    The anchor text from your links at SEO chat state 'Visit bling's homepage!'

    The anchor text from other sites vary too, the most notible difference being you have 'bling' (originating from forum posts) and 'bling!' (originating from your site).

    So...... all in all, I'd count that as about 15 decent links to your site. Get more links! :D

    Make sure you've submitted to all the free directories too....
    (are we allowed to post links here? - I'd like post a list of free directories).

    Jane
     
    janecompersnews, Jul 25, 2004 IP
  5. North Carolina SEO

    North Carolina SEO Well-Known Member

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    I agree with jancompernews. You need to get more inbound links to your site from other places, like directories. It will take a lot of time and work, but will be well worth it in the end. Then just wait for the next Google update and hopefully they will move you up. If Google sandboxes you for 1 update, it will take a little longer. Just keep getting those inbound links and don't give up.
     
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  6. spyder

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    I don't think allinanchor is that important to Google's SERPs. We have a client's site which is No. 1 for a keyword in allinanchor - and it dropped out of sight in Google about 2 and a half months ago. It has just showed up again for the keyword, and moving up and down on Page 2. The keyword is still at No 2 or 3 at Yahoo and MSN though.
     
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    and just guess where you are for that EXACT phrase.

    As Jane says, good BL's from a high number of different places, themed, that have your anchor text in it !
     
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  8. Help Desk

    Help Desk Well-Known Member

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    Could lack of theming be responsible for a not even showing in the SERPs even when you are hovering between 6th and 8th in inanchor and allinanchor searches for a keyword?
     
    Help Desk, Sep 15, 2004 IP
  9. murugan

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    my site is in top 10 in allinanchor for most of the keywords, but in SERPS its not coming up. This is because of Sand Box effect. We have to wait for a while to reap the fruits.
     
    murugan, Sep 21, 2004 IP
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    I have the same problem with one keyword phrase, actually #1 in allinanchor but I'm sat in a sandbox building castles...
     
    DarrenC, Sep 21, 2004 IP
  11. T0PS3O

    T0PS3O Feel Good PLC

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    #11
    Allinanchor is quantitative.

    Ranking is supposed to be qualitative based on a combination of quantitative variables.

    So even when yuo are #1 allinanchor, G might still decide your site isn't a quality resource for that word and thus not show you. It depends on what the algo says exactly.
     
    T0PS3O, Sep 21, 2004 IP
  12. dirtdog1960theone

    dirtdog1960theone Active Member

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    I cannot write of "theme-ing" except to be negative and blather that I think it is marketing fluff. Computers do math. What is the math of a theme?

    What is real though is that I checked the top listing for bling in google for <space>bling and found 9 count for bling in mtvs listing and only 3 on yours.

    You on the first page for allin...etc except for allin page
    here:

    www google.com/search?as_q=&num=10&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=bling&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images

    not thinkbling as in your url but <space>bling

    Interesting huh?

    Bump you <space>bling count to ten and kick mtvs bottom eh?
     
    dirtdog1960theone, Sep 26, 2004 IP
  13. Help Desk

    Help Desk Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure I get what you are saying.
     
    Help Desk, Sep 27, 2004 IP
  14. dirtdog1960theone

    dirtdog1960theone Active Member

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    thinkbling- I'm not sure I get what you are saying.

    Me either ;)

    The site with the number one position on google today for the search word bling has the word bling 9 times in the text of its html. Your site has the word bling three times in the text 3 times. I suspect that more is better. So I suggest you change your page and use the word bling 10 times instead of 3. Then resubmit or get crawled again by google and check your results.

    Let me know how you do.
     
    dirtdog1960theone, Sep 27, 2004 IP
  15. Help Desk

    Help Desk Well-Known Member

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    I added a quick blurb to my footer. It should be in Google's index in no more than 2 days. Let's see what happens.
     
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  16. Nitin M

    Nitin M White/Gray/Black Hat

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    ThinkBling - My theory ... and that's all it is my theory based on lots of personal experience with allinanchor not matching SERPs and what worked for me to break out of it .... ALL THEORY - NO FLAMES PLEASE :)

    First - Allinanchor - What does it mean? Have never found a firm answer but in researching and studying allinanchor results, I believe they are weighted MUCH more heavily towards PR flow from backlinks than is the standard search algo. So, when you are hovering between 6-8 in allinanchor what this tells me is you are 6-8th in PR flow to your page from links with "bling" in the anchor text.

    Now, why would you not be in the SERPs at all? Because you are in the "sandbox". Sort of a vague statement because there is no one definition of what the sandbox is. When I use the term what I mean is that google has determined your links are "unnatural" and is penalizing you by completely filtering your site from the SERPs for "bling" because you are clearly manipulating your backlinks for this purpose. This happens when the ratio of total sites linking to you compared to total backlinks is out of whack for a specific anchor text.

    In your case, the large number of links from a very small number of sites (DP is one) is keeping you in the sandbox. You should remove bling from your sig on forums and aggresively go after link exchanges from as many different sites as possible and also mix up the anchor text a bit (not too much, just maybe 10%).

    As I said I have been in your shoes on several sites in the past and have broken out in this way. I also can predict with absolute certainly when I will be sandboxed due to a sitewide link ... sometimes I don't care ... I am doing it for the PR flow and not the SERPs. For example, right now my site www.seopark.com is sandboxed for "Link Exchange" even though I am ~50 for allinanchor I am filtered from reg SERP. I knew this would happen cause I obtained a sitewide from a large site for the PR flow ... in time, I will offset this "unnaturalness" with enough other links that I will break out.

    Anyway, hope this info helps and if nothing else gives you some things to think about.

    Good Luck.

    <EDIT - ADDED>
    AND, BTW, I don't see the coop ad network running on your site ... IMHO this would be one of the easiest steps to diversify the sites for your backlinks and break out of the sandbox.
    </EDIT>
     
    Nitin M, Sep 27, 2004 IP
  17. dirtdog1960theone

    dirtdog1960theone Active Member

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    not a flame, no proof. theory or seo marketing fluff. show us the algorithm for "sandbox" such if this then that etc?

    echh acckk cough cough he is doing well in allinanchor and you want him to go backwards? :confused: :eek:

    anti hilltop? proof and algos before I would do something this dramatic.

    Sorry for being so negative Virginia Realtors just tired. Please flame I deserve it wink.
     
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    :confused:
     
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  19. Help Desk

    Help Desk Well-Known Member

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    I've added the co-op network to the main part of my site. Previously I only had it on my blog and my forums. We'll see if some recent changes make a difference.

    On a side note, I have gotten in the serps for other "bling" things such as "bling software" and "bling computer". Hopefully this is a sign of something good.
     
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  20. Nitin M

    Nitin M White/Gray/Black Hat

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    Sure thing. While I'm at it would you like me to fully document the complete google algo ... how about I throw in MSN and Yahoo's algos too while I'm at it. :rolleyes:
    Right. And being high in allinanchor is so worthwhile because people actually search that way, right ? :p

    Not really anything I care to convince anyone of... consider it food for thought.

    FWIW the SERP filter seems to apply to the exact anchor text that is overweighted from a single domain. Also, as you raise the number of domains from which you are linking with "bling" anchor text, you will naturally break out of the filter.
     
    Nitin M, Sep 28, 2004 IP