5 American Muslims detained in Pakistan facing deportation

yes i mean facilitate, like gave them money to go to pakistan and so on. i am sure that there are also laws in regard to the verbal support and encouragment

 

Well let's go protest Israel, as they actually wanted to appeal a ban on using human shields, then we can go to other places you "claim" it happens.

Yes, I would it's treason. And the same goes for the citizens of USA.

What I'm saying is they want to fight a war against the military, just as USA troops want to fight against the Taliban etc, as far as that goes it's their choice and should not be a surprise it's a war.

 

When you say let's, I'm assuming you condemn the activity. I know you know full well Hamas makes a practice of it, so we wont debate that one. Regarding Taliban use of human shields, I make no "claims" at all. I just read the news.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article676588.ece
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...s-as-human-shields-when-British-attacked.html
If Israel makes a practice of it, I'm all for equal application of the law. What I still haven't heard you say is that you condemn the activity and think it should carry a death penalty in a war crimes trial. Say it. Don't be a hypocrite. Say it.

You never will. Without that tactic, your beloved Hamas would never have their propaganda war, and you'd have nothing to cry fowl about.

 

You obviously are smart

How do you know? Is this Hate or is this backed up by fact? I do ask seriously not to defend Hamas.

OFC you are, that's why you saw an article where it's shown clearly Israel have used and then wanted to appeal the ban on using Human shields to continue to do so, then you say "if"

All people even Jews should be brought to justice for using human shields if it has happened, the same for war crimes of other sorts should be punished. In the case of Israel it is very obvious as the article shows.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y

Ok. So there it is, by their own admission. Condemn them. Condemn them and the idiots who elected them. If you can't get past this simple issue of hypocrisy, you need never post again complaining about anything Israel does. You will simply not be credible.

[edit]By the way, in condemning this practice by Hamas, it would also lend to your credibility to acknowledge that this practice has been the cause of civilian casualties at the hands of the Israelis. In other words, many of the people whose deaths you have personally laid at the feet of Israel, have in fact been the fault of the people your blessed Palestinians elected to power. Darwinism at work.

 

Convincing

Israel I'm positive was targeting civilians not because of human shields being used but because they wanted too, it's clear from the war crimes committed against civilians.

 

What you want to argue with the video? I can provide as many other links as you like. Its well documented. I still haven't heard your condemnation. I won't hold my breath.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vHDyuSTneA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHhs9ihSmbU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG0CzM_Frvc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MPwR0Eu32M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUeSE3WWX_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LGubwghyEw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI1q3etFX2k

 

MFA movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70Oqo_wmuGo

 

Obamanation I have condemned Hamas numerous times in this thread and others, and I would appreciate sources of the same substance that I offered or close to, a human rights organisation for example would be proper.

Chaos we have seen Israeli air footage before of Israel killing Innocent Civilians, then using the same video to show they only target terrorists and that their air strikes are precise.

Wouldn't trust anything from Israeli TV period, Propaganda central.

 

"The tragedy of Gaza (to Ban Ki-Moon) is not Israel, it's Hamas, who created a dictatorship, a very ugly one, and they build the problem of the crossing now, is not because we want to control the supply of food and building material or medical, they build tunnels to bring in those missiles.
And they build an underground system of tunnels whereby the leaders hide themselves there, and they forgot the people." said Peris the presedent of Israel in Dafuos. Check.

So, Hamas is hiding themselves not behind civilians, but in an underground system of tunnels, and they forgot their people.

You cannot have it both way. Either they are hiding themselves behind civilians, or underground system of tunnels.

 

Really. Do you read what you put to print? Really? You respond to many videos of Hamas claiming they will use human shields with your own brand of contrived logic? Really? Do you really expect anyone to believe that if the Hamas leadership really is hiding in tunnels, that their soldiers launching rockets into Israel could not possibly be above ground? Really? And the videos? Would you have us believe Hamas is lying when they say they are using women and children as human shields? Really?

Good. For the sake of argument, I'll assume you condemned them here as well. So now that we've established you acknowledge they use human shields and condemn them for the practice, and that you would have them tried for war crimes carrying a death penalty, lets follow the argument to its natural conclusion. With Hamas hiding behind civilians in the middle of a war with Israel, why would you expect anyone to believe the Palestinians claims of Israeli attacks on civilians were anything more than casualties caused by Hamas' battlefield tactics?

Certainly more credible than anything you've put to print. Besides Israeli TV is not the only source of these admissions and you know it.

Polite Teen and Toothpic, you guys represent the best Palestine has to offer, and for that, I am truly grateful.

 

Still awaiting a decent source, you said you could provide many.

And Mark Regev said exactly what 'polite teen' stated above that was "Hamas are in hiding during these situations" - Youtube Video.

I provided a source you provided none.

 

Oh, so you cant differentiate between saying we make "human shields" to indicate the greatness of Palestinian people and how many of them are shields for their land and families, and saying we use "human shields" to indicate the behavior of Israeli soldier.

you cant know the difference? Really?

 

I believe he meant more along the lines of "absolve the behavior of Israeli soldiers and government policy", it's certainly what it sounded like.

 

Truth twisting 101. First, allege they are underground by taking a single quote to mean All of Hamas. When that fails, provide an interpretation, or filter, for the very clear words of the Hamas leadership. Let me guess, you help people understand the very twisted words of the Quran. I should have expected no less from a theological scholar/recruiter. Lying and propaganda is an art-form. Thank god there are many gullible people out there, eh?

@Toothpic: Dude, if the video links I provided, followed by the long list provided by Chaos Trivia didn't explain it in crystal clarity for you, nothing will.

 

So now you refuse?

Regarding the links by Chaos they are mainly Air footage and the Israeli Occupation Forces, Which means you can't tell what they are doing, neither can I - nor anyone else.

In those videos Israel dictates what you are supposed to be seeing, like when Israel bombed an innocent family and then released the footage as proof they are only killing terrorists in precise attacks - only to be later be found out as liars and that the video was found to be Israeli propaganda (so no they aren't credible sources)

On the other hand Israel appealing a ban on using Human Shields is conclusive proof of what they are about.

 

did these links http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=13136850&postcount=38 explain anything to you ?

 

A few times already you mentioned the word "stupid", now I say a smart man would have seen the difference and since you may not see it I'll help you,

IT IS NOT ONLY AL QAEDA THAT RESORTS TO VIOLENCE IT IS ISLAMISTS FROM ALMOST ALL OVER THE WORLD WHERE MUSLIMS LIVE! THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT YOUR RELIGION!!!

 

So, you couldn't differentiate between the "human shields" made up of some people to defend their land and their families and "human shields" who are used wrongfully.

You rather considered that as truth twisting.

let me remind you with what you said so that you understand the situation better.

When I posted the following:

Your reply was:

So, as you see, your reply focused more on what Hamas were saying in the vedios, but I didn't put any comment on these vedios.

Hence, I needed to respond to your points of stress and I explained the vedio after I have watched it:

I didn't make the first post of mine to defend my beloved Hamas. In that case, I would not say that "they forgot their people". That is not a defence but an insult for Hamas. I think it is clear.

I made that post to use zionists' words against themselves.

My bad that I thought the leaders means Hamas.

Actually, Israel doesn't know where Hamas people set, so they destroyed wide areas.

When Israeli soliders guess that this building contain some of Hamas, they destroy it.

Even after they destroy it, they don't check if it was really containing Hamas or not. Their excuse in both cases is ready, just blame Hamas.

This is why they have been verified as war criminals and this is why they were/are worry about investigations.

Even the news couldn't hide the joke that a number of zionists soliders were killed by mistake.

The more barbaric you are, the more mistake you make.

Moreover, If Israel knew where the leaders reside, they would certainly throw rockets and bombs on them as they were doing with harmless people whose crime (according to the jews in this forum) was that they elected Hamas.

Just to help you to know how much hypocrits you are, look at your answer to each of the following questions:

Is it justified that the jews destroy a building contain generals of Hamas?
What about a building that contain generals of US?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WPDsdM1ubM&feature=related