42 killed in attack in Lahore, Pakistan

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  1. sar420

    sar420 Notable Member

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    #21
    Do you want me to make a list? Anyway this is not a competition about how many Hindus, Christians or Muslims have been killed in terror attacks. As Will Spencer said, the religion of the victim does not matter. But the conviction and intent of the terrorist does. If the terrorist is killing people because he thinks in a version of Islam that says he will get 72 virgins in heaven for the murders, then there is something wrong with the religion or at least with the people who fail to condemn such acts, especially when such acts are directed at non-Muslims.

    And were you trying to imply earlier that because Mulims were killed in this instance, the terrorist cannot be Muslim?
     
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  2. Vebtools

    Vebtools Well-Known Member

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    #22
    I dont want to bring religion in the thread at all, because i realized that members of this sections are not following any religion, so discussion about religion to those who dont folly any religion or dont understand the meaning of religion is totally useless.

    I and the other Muslims members write hundreds of time that dont blame Islam or any religion for the terrorist activity of bad people. Because no religion in the world support terror at all. Then why members of this forum who even dont know the meaning of word "Faith, Religion" blame religion for the terror activities of bad people. Why they dont understand that Islam is what is in Quran and Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H)? Why they relate terrorist deeds with Islam.

    Allah said in Quran killing one person is equal to killing whole world. is it not enough to the world that Islam does not support murder at all? then why when a Muslim kill some one the world blame Islam rather than the person.
     
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  3. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #23
    This thread is all about religion. Those 42 people were murdered because of their religion by terrorists who were acting on behalf of their religion.

    Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery. You, yes you, are preventing the world from stopping terrorism by refusing to admit that Islam has a problem.

    These are the Islamic terrorists attacks only in your country and only in June:
    2010.06.30 Four factory workers are killed when sectarian Jihadis toss a grenade under their car.
    2010.06.28 Four civilians are murdered in separate sectarian attacks.
    2010.06.28 Four local soldiers are murdered in a Taliban ambush.
    2010.06.23 Two lovers are gunned down in an honor killing.
    2010.06.22 Seven security personnel are slain in two Taliban ambushes.
    2010.06.21 Two Shia brothers are shot dead by a Sunni terrorist outfit.
    2010.06.21 Sectarian Jihadis fire on a group of brothers, killing one.
    2010.06.20 Five members of a family are exterminated in their own home by Muslim gunmen.
    2010.06.20 Pakistanis fire across the border into India, killing two porters.
    2010.06.20 Two recruits are killed when Fedayeen storm a police training camp.
    2010.06.20 Two women are executed by the Taliban for committing adultery.
    2010.06.19 A passerby is killed when Jihadi bombers target a police vehicle.
    2010.06.18 Six local soldiers are abducted and executed in captivity by Sunni fundamentalists.
    2010.06.17 A civilian is abducted by the Taliban and brutally beheaded.
    2010.06.17 A Shia doctor is among two people shot to death in sectarian attacks.
    2010.06.15 Two members of a peace committee are cut down by religious extremists while returning home.
    2010.06.14 An elderly man is among two people shot to death in separate sectarian attacks.
    2010.06.14 A Christian professor is badly beaten by his students for refusing to embrace Islam.
    2010.06.14 Two police officers are killed when Islamic militants ambush them with grenades and gunfire.
    2010.06.13 A member of a peace committee is shot full of holes by local Taliban.
    2010.06.13 A married couple and their young son are murdered by her strict Muslim family for marrying for love.
    2010.06.13 A videotape is released showing the slaughter of a humanitarian worker in captivity.
    2010.06.12 Sunni and Shia exchange targeted assassinations.
    2010.06.12 Two tribesmen are kidnapped and murdered by Islamic fundamentalists.
    2010.06.11 Sunni assassins shoot a Shia father to death on his way to work.
    2010.06.10 Islamists are suspected of bombing a Navy office, leaving one dead.
    2010.06.09 Two local soldiers are killed by a Taliban ambush.
    2010.06.09 A Shia is shot to death by sectarian rivals.
    2010.06.08 Four drivers are burned to death when Mujahideen set fire to a supply convoy.
    2010.06.08 Religious fanatics storm a police checkpoint, killing six officers.
    2010.06.08 A Hindu trader is shot to death by Muslim kidnappers.
    2010.06.05 Two passersby are killed in a shootout between rival Islamist groups.
    2010.06.04 A civilian is captured by the Taliban and shot to death.
    2010.06.04 An elderly man is beheaded by Religion of Peace zealots.
    2010.06.03 A pastor and his pregnant wife are brutally assaulted by angry Muslims accusing them of evangelism.
    2010.06.03 A man murders his sister and her lover for having 'illicit relations'.
    2010.06.01 A woman and her new husband are murdered by her former in-laws in an honor killing.
    2010.06.01 Three civilians are gunned down by Taliban militants.
    2010.06.01 A Shia is brutally shot to death in a sectarian attack.​

    It is ridiculous to deny that there is a problem here -- and that the problem is Islam.
     
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    #24


    Is Islam said them to do this?
     
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    #25
    You missed the word innocent. Q supports the killing of non-innocents and all those who aren't true muslims aren't innocent according to mammud
     
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    #26
    Islam prohibits the killing of innocent people, killing of one person is as if you ave killed the whole humanity. Its considered one of the biggest sin in Islam.
    The people doing it are surely thinking it as in the name of Allah and Allah is pleased with the,, in reality they are going to hell, because they are killing innocent people.
    Those people are brainwashed by the actors who appear on CNN and Aljazeera.

    Just like you people, who are brainwashed by CNN anchors.
     
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  7. Will.Spencer

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    #27
    • You've seen the evidence in the Quran -- verses which specifically call for this behavior.
    • You've seen the statistical evidence -- this behavior is extremely uncommon in Dar al-Harb and this behavior is extremely uncommon from non-Muslims.
    • You've seen the perpetrators of these acts specifically state that Islam was the motivation for their actions.
    If you still refuse to admit that Islam is the cause, you are being intellectually dishonest.
     
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    #28
    There is not even a single verse which promotes such an inhuman act.
    Extremely uncommon for non-Muslims? I am not supporting those people who do suicide attacks, but, I bet you kill few million times more people in the form of abortions and toilet flushing.
    Islam is a religion of peace, we dont say hello, we say Assalamualaikum which means Peace be onto you.
     
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  9. Vebtools

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    #29

    I memorized the Quran,, i have not read such verses, which you are putting in Quran

    i hope you are not like "Helvetii" who write Islamic thoughts with out any refrence. and some time refer the verses of Quran who are actually not from Quran

    so show me the verses where Allah said kill people
     
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  10. Will.Spencer

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    #30
    I'm sure you know them and that you prefer to misread them. I'll not bother to try to pry open your closed mind.

    How do you manage to ignore the overwhelming statistical evidence?

    How do you manage to ignore the statements of the terrorists themselves?

    How do you manage to live with the guilt from the knowledge that you are supporting terrorism by preventing the Muslim world from taking the very first step towards recovery?
     
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  11. Vebtools

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    #31

    I will wait for the day when you share any reference rather than yours own imaginations :)
     
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  12. Will.Spencer

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    #32
    Your closed mind is not my problem. You have to live in the hell hole that you are helping to perpetuate.
     
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    #33
    thats not the ans, you have to prove the statement you had written in post 27 to miss guide the other members and visitors against Islam
     
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    #34
    thats not the ans, you have to prove the statement you had written in post 27 to miss guide the other members and visitors against Islam
     
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    #35
    It's impossible to prove anything to a close minded person. You're obvious impervious to facts and reason.

    Enjoy your unthinking little life. Socrates said "The unexamined life is not worth living" -- you could try to prove him wrong.
     
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    #36
    This is the reason he is close minded: http://www.sdpi.org/whats_new/reporton/State of Curr&TextBooks.pdf

    Its a pdf detailing research done on the current school curriculum in Pakistan, and in particular with a subject called "Pakistan Studies" . Have a look and you will understand how it all flows. One extract as an example below:

    About this from Wikipedia:

    An editorial in Pakistan's oldest newspaper Dawn commenting on a report in The Guardian on Pakistani Textbooks noted 'By propagating concepts such as jihad, the inferiority of non-Muslims, India’s ingrained enmity with Pakistan, etc., the textbook board publications used by all government schools promote a mindset that is bigoted and obscurantist. Since there are more children studying in these schools than in madrassahs the damage done is greater. '[27][28] According to the historian Professor Mubarak Ali, textbook reform in Pakistan began with the introduction of Pakistan Studies and Islamic studies by Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto in 1971 into the national curriculum as compulsory subject. Former military dictator Gen Zia-ul-Haq under a general drive towards Islamization, started the process of historical revisionism in earnest and exploited this initiative. 'The Pakistani establishment taught their children right from the beginning that this state was built on the basis of religion – that's why they don't have tolerance for other religions and want to wipe-out all of them
     
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    #37
    Then stop writing your own Quran and concepts of Islam here, which does not belong to Islam.
     
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    #38
    Islam's definition of guilty includes gay people, blasphemers, people who leave the religion (apostates) and others, and according to Sharia they can all be killed. So when you say that Islam prohibits the killing of "innocents," it doesn't really mean much, because the Islamic definitions of guilty and innocent are so wrong.
     
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    #39
    Bloodbath at sufi shrine in Lahore

     
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    #40
    I am quoting the Quran. If you have an objection to the Quran, take it up with Muhammad.
     
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