3063 US soldiers have died in Iraq... Wanna stop deaths?

3,063 US soldiers have died in Iraq since the war started.
The maximum number of Iraqis who have died is: 60,098
Thats a lot of deaths.
But do you know what?
1.4 million babies die a YEAR from abortion, that is pretty insane.
Is it really the babies fault that their daddies condom broke?
Is it really the babies fault that their mom decided to get drunk on the weekend?

I will take a kind of liberal stance of rape-abortion, because I really don't know to the answer on that one.
But for real, don't tell me that abortion isn't killing.


* Iraq War 3,063
* 1st Gulf War less than 200
* Vietnam War 58,151
* Korean War 54,246
* WW II 407,316
* WW I 116,708
* Civil War 498,332
* Revol. War 25,324
* Total War Deaths 1,046,632
Abortions 1.4 million/year

kinda sucks huh?

 

That just proves Iraq is turning into another vietnam...man, the liberals were finally right on something.

 

3,063 US soldiers have died in Iraq since the war started.
a war of choice
is that not enough for you

 

I don't understand why these two issues are conjoined. "Abortion is wrong, so, fight that, and forget Iraq war deaths?" Was this the point?

 

Hmm, seems like the Iraqis will have their freedom after this war... something that wasn't accomplished in Vietnam

 

Do you provide the number of abortion or the number of babies aborted?
When a foetus become a baby?
Do the numbers include babies only, or babies and foetus?

 

My point was, that the other day someone (not on DP) was telling me how all these soldiers are dieing in Iraq, later on we got onto abortion and when I asked him about the deaths, he said that it was just a number.
seems like people like to "flip flop" when it is convenient

 

thats when a "fetus" becomes a "baby"

 

When?

Read your "week 4 quote" again.

"This will become ..."

"This is where...."

"...will form...."

 

the beginning of...

BTW go bears, I bet on them in the superbowl, unfortunately I had them and the Pats.

 

So sperm cells are babies too then.

 

thanks for taking it to the extremes... so when does a fetus become a baby to you?

 

GRRRRR .... don't you hate it when you see stuff like this, taken from http://www.abortionisprolife.com/faq.htm, one of the STUPIDEST ideologies I've ever read. EVER. They say "Abortion is Pro-Life"... then they have this wierd quote from Ayn Rand (which, by the way, I just finished reading a book written by her called Anthem. Yeah, off topic, but good book. I'd recommend it.) -- and then they go and say this, just proving their idiotic ignorance:

How can it die if it's not alive?

Abortion is murder. Period. They said it themselves. What more need I say?

Well here's some more. They address this later on:

However, this answer has many "fatal" flaws:

According to whom? The author of this most retched and vile site? Well, of course, we *must* go with that definition because the author *is* the absolute in all things!

You can cite government sources, like I have, according the United States government (http://www.dinfos.osd.mil/2005_APStyle/2005_APStyle/homicide_murder_manslau.html)...

which enforces the fact that murder is "malicious, premeditated homicide." Abortion is most definitely pre-meditated, and malicious, in the sense that a living thing (as finalized above as "living", from this dumb "Abortion is Pro-Life" site), was killed inside somebody else. That's pretty dang malicious. It becomes wrangled and messy and grotesque. It is most definitely malicious, and pre-meditated. Also, we know that it is homicide, because it was killed. Abortion is murder, and thus it is proved.

But if abortion really is an "unalienable right" (which it's not, please read the rest of this), then we cannot go by politically-restricted definitions. We must go by moral standards, if each mother around the globe really has the "right" to abort a fetus/embryo. Morally, it is wrong to kill any living baby. And even according to what this PRO-abortion site says, the "thing" (whatever you call it) growing in a mother's womb is alive, because it can die.

Point proven, or must I go further? I can't believe I have to take simple logic down to the bare roots making it so much more complex than it has to be.... *grumble*

 

So sperm cells are babies too?

I killed a bunch yesterday then!

 

Oh, and by the way:

3,000 good, innocent American people died in our own country here for no reason except to be victims of terrorists in a single day.

Wanna stop the deaths?

 

You killer;

Stop killing them and mail it to the anti-abortion people here, any taker?

 

Do they stay alive attached to socks and tissues.


Oh man, thats gross!

 

No. Conception forms the beginnings of a child, and essentially the form and makeup of a baby.

For those of you that are Christian here, you know this: The reason for human sexuality is a pure and sacred one when used properly. It should not be used for lust or personal satisfaction reasons. Ideally, abortions should not exist. In reality, they do, because people abuse their powers. (Usually. There are SOME exceptions.)

For those of you that are atheists and/or believe in science, let me explain it to you in your terms: you know that the reason for humans - or any species likewise - having the ability to reproduce, have it only TO reproduce. The idea of reproduction is to have a successful species continuance, not to have personal gain. Animals have litters or many many eggs/children each time because of their rare chance of survival. Why do you think humans have so few in comparison? Because humans are expected to be able to survive better. So for those of you that believe in "nature" and "nature's way" and "evolution", then know that being anti-life (Pro-abortion) is against your own ideals, and thus contradictory: you are not using a power given to us for the way Nature (God) intended it, and thus it is morally wrong.

Geez, how many ways do I need to prove this?

 

Here's my take:

Abortion causes the death of a fetus, there's no question about it.
It isn't always wrong to kill, there's no question about it.
If we must kill we are obliged never to do so frivolously, and must only do so with the utmost consideration for the life being taken.
Abortions aren't always wrong, but they certainly can be.
Abortions should be avoided at all costs, but they should also be available (legal) for those who determine that they are making the best decision they can.
It is up to all of us to do our part to educate people before they become pregnant so they are able to make the best possible decisions in the event that they do.
It is up to all of us to do our part to prevent the needless or frivolous taking of life.

 

No wonder this bible people are so angry and hateful, if I didn't get any personal satisfaction then most likely I would have become like them too.