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301 redirects and pagerank transfer

Discussion in 'Google' started by Dwaighty, Oct 25, 2007.

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    Let's say I have an established website on domain A. After a while I grab a new domain name B, that I think would best suit my niche, so I decide to do a 301 redirect from domain A to domain B.

    Of course, the pagerank will be transfered to the new domain B, the visitors will also be redirected, so everyone will be happy. But what happens when domain A expires? Will I lose the PR of domain B? Should the redirection last for a longer period of time before I could let domain A expire?
    SEMrush
    If anyone tried this before, please share.

    Thanks.
     
    Dwaighty, Oct 25, 2007 IP
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  2. Pixelrage

    Pixelrage Peon

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    I don't think it will affect site B. It's like pouring the contents of one glass into another.

    The only problem is that all of the aged links for site A would then be pointing nowhere if the site is gone, so you'd lose out on the redirects of that site.
     
    Pixelrage, Oct 25, 2007 IP
  3. ahelpinghand

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    Yes this is correct, search engine update their indexes when they find 301 redirect (that's why it's called moved Permanently) so they transfer the page rank to the new domain, I don't think anything will happen when the old one expires. Another proof is 301 redirect is the recommended method used with the DELETED pages or RENAMED pages. Deleted means they no longer exist the same like expired domains.
     
    ahelpinghand, Oct 25, 2007 IP
  4. Dwaighty

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    It is not the same thing. Even if a page is deleted, the .htaccess that redirects the visitors from the deleted one to the new one will remain on the server. If a domain expires, you won't have the .htaccess file to tell the browser that the site moved permanently from that domain.

    That is why I have my doubts about the pagerank transfer from an expired domain name.
     
    Dwaighty, Oct 25, 2007 IP
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    mjewel Prominent Member

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    PageRank comes from backlinks. If you let domain A expire, the PR from backlinks to Domain A will no longer transfer unless the backlink is updated to point directly to the new domain.
     
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  6. Dwaighty

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    It sounds fair to me, but I was hoping Google could somehow preserve PR when a domain expires. Does anyone know an official position on this matter? Did Matt Cutts ever blogged about it, or some Google representative?
     
    Dwaighty, Oct 25, 2007 IP
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    There is a huge business in reregistering expired/dropped domains that have existing backlinks for the sole purpose of PR. What happens when someone registers the domain?- is google supposed to keep track of the older backlinks and credit them to a new site and keep newer backlinks to the renewed domain? If you want to keep the backlinks, you need to keep the domain - I'm positive of this.
     
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    keep it until you sure that all PR transferred to your new domain. After Redirecting watch the PR update. After the update you will get a pretty good idea of whether PR juice Transfer or not. And remember that 301 redirect not Transfer all PR Juice to new domain.
     
    seoz87, Oct 25, 2007 IP
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    if the a domain expires, you will loose the backlinks which are given to domain a
     
    trichnosis, Oct 26, 2007 IP
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    A 301 redirect is permanent. Once a spider sees this, the index will be updated accordingly.

    Therefore as soon as you are certain that Google has acknowledged your 301 redirects they can (in theory) be removed.

    - Matt
     
    Matt B, Oct 26, 2007 IP
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    hubel Grunt

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    a 301 redirect is only permanent so long as you control the domain. If it expires and gets picked up by someone else then the 301 redirect can be undone.
     
    hubel, Oct 26, 2007 IP
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    tommytx Well-Known Member

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    Wow! This post wins the bunny prize... it has the most misquoted information that I have ever seen on any post in my life.... But keep on trying... I think google says the honor a PERMANENT 301 Redirect since they update thier directories and they are permanent... I will look up the Google post on Best Practices for Site Transfers and add it here... back in a little while...

    Google does recommmend keeping the old site 301 in place for about 6 months to ensure all directories are updated and you can also watch for a de-indexing of the old page on the old site... same in a full site transfer.. your old site will de-index one by one as google finds and logs the 301 permanent transfer...

    PERMANENT means like a long time.... FOREVER.... and they do transfer the backlinks also... otherwise they will not transfer the google juice..
     
    tommytx, Nov 26, 2011 IP
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    Yes it will affect Site B.
     
    jhardy2008, Nov 27, 2011 IP
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    The redirection should last for some time, but I suspect eventually it will drop
     
    golfpro1, Nov 28, 2011 IP
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    I think it will not because it has already transfered the link juice and everything to that website.
     
    MattewHayden555, Nov 28, 2011 IP
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    No, now you should keep an eye on this. Once you get the traffic coming to your site from the previous one, Google will keep a note of this. And then the old site will not show up in the search results.
     
    SerVision, Dec 2, 2011 IP