301 or 303 redirect

Discussion in 'Site & Server Administration' started by iqra_psh, Aug 16, 2005.

  1. #1
    Hello which redirect method to use for no pr leakage.
    301 or 302.
    and is it the right way.

    302:

    <?php
    header("Location: http://www.domain.com");
    exit();
    ?>


    301:

    <?php
    header("Status: 301 Moved Permanently", false, 301);
    header("Location: http://www.domain.com");
    exit();
    ?>
     
    iqra_psh, Aug 16, 2005 IP
  2. Willy

    Willy Peon

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    #2
    Can you clarify what you mean: do you not want to pass on PR to external sites, or do you want to consolidate the PR from one site/domain into another?
     
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  3. dct

    dct Finder of cool gadgets

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    #3
    You want to use a 301, search engines are not fans of 302s
     
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  4. iqra_psh

    iqra_psh Active Member

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    #4
    Thanks both of you for ur replys.
    Yes willy i dont want to pass PR to external sites.
    so i will link there site to a page "redirect.php" and will use 301 or 302 (the one which didnt pass PR) in redirect.php
     
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  5. dct

    dct Finder of cool gadgets

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    #5
    Sorry I misread your first post, I thought you were moving your site and didn't want to lose any PR.

    You do not lose PR when linking to other sites, if you don't want the other site to benefit (for what ever reason) then why don't you just use the nofollow tag.
     
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  6. iqra_psh

    iqra_psh Active Member

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    Thanks for ur reply dct.
    Few say that you will lose Pr by linking to external pages few says there is no way of passing Pr to external pages so they use 301 or 302 redirect method.
    rel="nofollow" is also a good idea.
    but i need to know which one would be good redirect or rel="nofollow"as i dont want any pr to pass.(if pr really passes)
     
    iqra_psh, Aug 16, 2005 IP
  7. iqra_psh

    iqra_psh Active Member

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    Hello please can one tell me which one should i use ?
     
    iqra_psh, Aug 17, 2005 IP
  8. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #8
    There isn't a way to use a 301/302 without "PR leakage". If that's really what you are worried about, then whatever you are linking to isn't that important to you, and I probably wouldn't link to them to begin with.
     
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  9. iqra_psh

    iqra_psh Active Member

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    Thanks digitalpoint,
    What i got from reply is that there is PR leakage and we cant stop it with 301 or 302, and why am i linking to a site if i am afraid of loosing Pr.
    So i have clients list too many clients but i am not showing it in my portfolio because i am worried of PR leakage, so what i was thinking that if 301/302 or rel="nofollow" not leaking Pr so i will list all my clients which will help me got more projects.
    i am web designer by the way.
    Thanks for ur reply.
     
    iqra_psh, Aug 17, 2005 IP
  10. iqra_psh

    iqra_psh Active Member

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    Hello got my point bro ?
     
    iqra_psh, Aug 18, 2005 IP
  11. someonewhois

    someonewhois Peon

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    You could always use robots.txt to block redirect.php. :)
     
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  12. Jim_Westergren

    Jim_Westergren Notable Member

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    #12
    Just use rel="nofollow" or simply have an image of the clients site and write the URL but without a link to it.

    And BTW, if this list is not on your homepage and the list is fewer than 30 I don't see any problem of linking to them. Could be a bonus for them.
     
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  13. Design Agent

    Design Agent Peon

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    You can put the links in Flash or js. However, i dont see the point, just put most links on a 2nd/ 3rd page.
     
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  14. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #14
    No. There is no PR leakage. It's a myth.

    What Shawn was saying is that if you are worried about it use a 301 permanent. He did not say you SHOULD be worried about it.

    And indeed you should NOT be worried about it. Your page loses nothing by linking to other pages. Forget about it. Stop wasting your time.
     
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  15. Design Agent

    Design Agent Peon

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    There is no PR leakage and his issue is having to many links on a page, lowering the pr passed to each. Hence make extra pages.

    *I think
     
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  16. someonewhois

    someonewhois Peon

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    #16
    Yeah, but Flash and JS links won't work for anyone without Flash or JS enabled. Accessibility should always be top priority.

    It's not a deadly-critical theory, but it isn't a myth. If page B links to page A with anchor text, page A ranks higher than if page B links to page A with anchor text, AND links to example.com. The more links on the page, the less value they have.
     
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  17. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #17
    "PR leakage" or "PR bleed" is indeed a myth. You are talking about something different. What I said was:

    You are correct when you say that the PR available to be transferred from one page to other pages will be distributed evenly among the outgoing links, so more PR will be transferred to each outgoing link if the originating page contains say 5 outgoing links than if it contains 50 outgoing links.

    BUT: the originating page does not lose PR (leak PR, bleed PR) as a result of those outgoing links, no matter how many there are. The "loss" is not to the page containing the outgoing links but only perhaps to the pages receiving those links.
     
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  18. someonewhois

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    #18
    Technically speaking, yes it does. Page A links to page B, page B links to page A. If Page A adds another link to example.com, page B loses PR, therefore page A loses PR.

    Perhaps I don't have the terminology right though -- I could've sworn "PR Leakage" was what I explained above.
     
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  19. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    The term "PR bleed" or "PR leakage" usually refers to the mistaken idea that if a page links out it "passes PR" to the receiving page and the PR that is "passed" is lost by the page linking out. This is simply not true.

    What you are describing is not PR leakage as the term is usually understood. If a page linking to my page drops in PR, adds more outgoing links, or disappears off the net, it's obviously true that the benefits of that link to me will decrease. That's not what is usually meant though.
     
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  20. someonewhois

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    Aha. Makes sense.
     
    someonewhois, Aug 23, 2005 IP