300+ clicks, still no converts. Bad luck or something wrong

Discussion in 'ClickBank' started by Need_incomes, Mar 10, 2007.

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    Everyone is getting lots of converts and making lots of money but not me. I am using targeted keywords and getting clicks allright but no converts. Promoting a game site that gets many clicks but why does no one want to pay a one time membership fee for lifetime of free game downloads? I dont get it. The website says "converts like crazy" I also try a dating ebook "how to find your dream date" and only got 3 clicks. What kind of niche really works?

    Games?
    Dating?
    Real estate foreclosures?
    car/boat seizure and auction?
    "how to guides"?

    I know its still early but the sooner I get converts, the better.

    How are you marketing the Yahoo AD previews? I dont see anything wrong with the way I market it. People arent clicking randomly, im getting like .1% CTR which means the traffic must be targeted for them to be that interested that they would click.
     
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  2. Telmari

    Telmari Active Member

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    #2
    If it seems like people (even you) wouldn't go for it, it's probably not a good option to go for. How targetted are your keywords?

    Every website of course will say "converts like crazy", heh :p It's really about finding out what the people themselves want, not what products are available to sell. Working backwards is usually harder than forwards, for these kinds of things. I'd try to do some research first.

    -T
     
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  3. Need_incomes

    Need_incomes Peon

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    Well ive been targeting real estate foreclosures, games and dating ebook. This is what I would want anyway. What product categories do you target?
     
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  4. Telmari

    Telmari Active Member

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    Hmm - I target a variety of different areas. The key to any market, though, is figuring out who is looking for, why they're looking for it, and what their specific needs are. It's hard to take a product and just market it to anyone at all - try to figure out who exactly the products are targeted to, and why these people would choose to get out their credit card and pay (aka, what does this product or program offer that's different from any other).

    -T
     
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    i'm not doing so hot either :(

    perseverance(i used to be on a gaming team called perseverance har har)? :p
     
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  6. Need_incomes

    Need_incomes Peon

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    Thats what im doing but still no converts. Im begining to think maybe I did get converts and clickbank isnt crediting me for it! If they were not interested in the product, why are they clicking after reading my preview on the AD? Interested customers click then not buy? :confused: :mad:
    Either some people are super lucky or I am super unlucky.

    Question: Should I be showing clickbank anywhere in the source link? I figure I should because if someone copy and past the link without clicking on my AD I get a free customer.

    One of my ADs is

    Unlimited Games, music, Movies Download
    $39.95 For lifetime membership. Join now for 800 million games free.
    aceman1234.gamed.hop.clickbank.net


    Am I doing something wrong in the AD above?
     
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    Yeah, well first of all, your ad isn't professional, don't ever put your affiliate link into the 'display link'. Second of all if you're saying your CTR is 0.1% - means you're doing something bad and your ad isn't attractive, which means you MUST write new ones. Third of all, check if you have -free as a negative keyword, because many users look for FREE games, which is not what you're offering.

    Regards.
     
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    Well, I don't know about clickbank, but Im in the same boat. I target mortgages. Have the #1 site on Google and Yahoo for some of the highest traffic terms on the market, but my conversion is right around .97%, that's right less than 1%. I was expecting a 15% or so rate. Out of 1500 TARGETTED SE traffic Im at 13 leads... :(
     
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    most people searching for games are young people that dont even have a credit card.

    some programs that are going well are in the get paid to niche:
    get paid to draw, get paid to write, get paid to take photos etc..

    maybe try those
     
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    Well, you have to consider the products carefully, may be you try to sell our product MFACash!, publisher name "taurussoft". I've just launched it, I think you will get a high conversion rate because now the price is only $50, after 8 weeks its price will increase to $197, I cannot set up this price at the beginning because of the terms of ClickBank.

    Let me know if you have any questions.

    Regards,
    Isara :)
     
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    Need_incomes Peon

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    Many others are putting their affiliate link into the 'display link'. As for CTR, I dont care as long as I get targeted traffic that converts, thats all matters.
    I already have "free" and I lost $30 and 250 clicks for zero converts. Changed the AD to mention a $39.95 membership cost for unlimited free games and my clicks went way down but still no converts. As someone else said, maybe most of the traffic is teens looking for free games and they dont have a credit card nor do they even want to pay to be a "member" They click when they see the word "free" and when they find out you gotta pay to be a member in order to get free games(a catch, eh?) they arent interested and find some other site thats 100% free(those sites get money from adsense and the like)


    Thats what I was thinking. Already found some "get paid to drive" maybe this will work as more people are looking to make money rather than spend money.


    Hey Isara, please PM me for more details. Might give your product a try, gotta see your website. You will have to help me promote your product
     
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    Wow, you're wrong here, CTR is almost the most important factor in here, if you don't care about your CTR, you'll get slapped, let's see how you're going to act then. Plus if your CTR is high it means your targeting is right and your ad is very relevant to the keyword.

    Regards.
     
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    #13
    All righty, let's straighten up a few things here.

    -Occasionally a few people put their aff. link into the display URL, but it does look unprofessional and will garner fewer clicks. The work around to this is to bid higher than whoever's bidding on the merchant's URL... except in a hyper competitive market where you're not sure of the sales potential, I'd recommend against it and building your own landing page instead.

    -A lot of the free ipod/games/zune/mp3/video/movie/etc etc sites have poor refund rates, meaning you might work really hard to get that one sale and then have it refunded the next day. Unless you have a unique angle on things, I'd recommend trying another product.

    -Putting the price and negative -free word in there are indeed good ways to navigate the "tire kicker" mentality... but they don't always assure that people clicking on the ad want to buy. A lot of people just surf for information. If your offer is REALLY compelling, or if that's exactly what they're looking for, they'll pay - otherwise, they're probably just shopping around, looking for deals, or information.

    -CTR does matter. The lower your CTR, the more you pay, the lower your ad position is unless you pay more, and probably, the worse it will convert to sales.

    Just a few comments from my personal experience.

    -T




     
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    My pay is up to the maximum I bid which is 10 to 15 cents depending on campaign. The experts are saying pay between 5 to 20 cents a click and considering the convert rate is like 1% its not profitable to pay more than that anyway!

    People who just want information should well enough NOT click on paid sponsors but just search for it the regular route.

    Should I use the "free" keyword in all of my sponsors? Wont Yahoo say its not relevent content like they have before?

    Is there any AD services where I can pay per convert instead of per click?

    Wont I make alot more money selling my own products/ebooks at 75% comission and have others sponsor me?
     
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    yes. winnar.
     
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    Are you guys using sponsored search? Any of you think single word keywords are a bad idea? Like if im selling auction house foreclosures and I use "house" as a keyword? I get lots of clicks though. My specific, targeted keywords get a handful of clicks a day.

    Still no converts and $50 down the drain. I am begining to wonder if its even possible to get converts or make profit being an affilate. Seems like only the merchants are getting rich, they pay nothing for ADs and even at 75% comission they dont care because the ebook cost them pennies of bandwith each time someone downloads them and they make anywhere from $5 to over $50 per sale!

    Maybe I should just find or write a good ebook and other digital products(I know several niche markets I can address) and let others pay for ADs to bring traffic to my website, ill offer 75% comission and can make enough money to move out of south FL :)
     
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    yeah, yeah, you'll write a book and believe me you'll come back here with questions like 'Why Nobody promotes my book, it's good?'

    I suggest you figure out the affiliate marketing thing first. Some gave you valuable information, but you don't want to use it, my guess.
     
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    I am doing everything you guys told me and still no converts 567 clicks, $60 later. Someone suggested a science experment website, well 255 clicks(10 cents each) and no converts while this guy says its converting for him. I think I know whats wrong.

    1. Extremely bad luck
    2. "ghost sales" this happens when people have their cookies disabled or deleted. The merchants get the money, affilates=none.
    3. The customers are cheating me out of a comission in one of several ways.
    4. Maybe the customers dont order right away and in the meantime the cookie expires.

    I am cutting my $60 losses(stopped sponsoring) and going ahead and become a merchant for clickbank and also making several niche market websites and use Yahoo ADs to bring traffic to those sites of mine. I believe the merchants are the ones that can make far more money than the affilates/sponsors. Time for a change of plan for me.
     
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    First of all if you're promoting the site in your sig, then you need tons of work, and of course if you're bidding on keywords like 'download music' - then it would take 10000 clicks to see first conversions.
     
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    you lose money so much faster than i do need_incomes :eek:
     
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