Hi I work for a marketing agency and webshow organiser, we have many clients, hence I control many sites. I am currently working on link strategies and would like to find out the best way to generate oneway inbound links. Apart from articles as we already implement this technique. I know that 3 / 4 way link strategies are a good cost effective option, i.e.site a links to site b, site b links to site c, site c links to site A. Q1: is this a good clean white hat strategy? I have searched for a service that facilitates these kind of reciprocal links but couldn't find one. Q2: Can any 1 help or know a good resource to do this? Many thanks for reading and I look forward to hearing from any one with an opinion or advice.
I'm glad you don't CONTROL any of our sites. Based on your questions, it appears you are not very experienced at what you do. No harm in asking when you don't know, but there is harm in CONTROLLING sites and offering SEO work on those sites, when you don't know the answers to such questions. Best of luck in getting your answers.
For your information Yes i am quite new to SEO, my back ground is traditional marketing. I have been working online since 2003, so 2 1/2 years is quite new, yes. And i do know what I am doing as I have many 1st page position and have developed landing pages that convert. My clients are all very happy. My questions were basic and I was probing for info, I think I have spotted a gap in the reciprocal link market i.e. no services like monsterlinkswap, link metro etc... that offer the said service. Anyway as you were so helpful, not, I have a question for you. Q: do you post/reply on this fourm to wind ppl up, if you have nothing positve to say dont bother m8.
3 way links are difficult to monitor and maybe a software solution would help in this respect. Unfortunately I don't know of one. Have you had a look at the coop? If you have a few sites with lots of pages then this could work for you.
Actually, Fitzy, I think Elee makes a good point. The questions you asked were very basic, even by my standards, and I'm a rank beginner at link building (although I have 12 years of HTML/Perl experience, and 8 years of PHP). If I were in your position, I might have an ethical problem taking money from clients when I was so inexperienced. On the other hand, I have told clients up-front that I suck at graphic design and only want to do programming, and those clients shrugged and said, "we'd rather have a single source for all of this." So I took their money. I guess if your clients know how weak you are at it and still want to stick with you, then you have every right to cash their checks. I just hope you're up front about all of it. So... let's answer your questions. And bear in mind that I'm a beginner, so others will have to add to this. First, you need to use vilesilencer: http://info.vilesilencer.com/main.php?rock=seo-friendly.php ...that's a list of free directories. Most (all?) of them will not require you to link back to them, so it's a great source of 1-way links. Another option is articles, but you know about that, so lists like this would not be useful to you: http://www.small-business-forum.com/showthread.php?t=6944 Also, this article has lots of good ideas (and I may have found this article in someone's signature on this forum, not sure): http://www.14thc.com/get-free-backlinks.html And that article's first suggestion is built-upon by our own maldives in this post: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=591622&postcount=8 ...which I thought was awesome. Second, you asked about roundabout links, where sites link from A->B->C->A. I don't think it's particularly white-hat, since it's collusion. However, I don't think it's black-hat either, since it doesn't involve spam or deceptive practices (such as links hidden in a div 1000 pixels offscreen). I do roundabout links. In fact, the DP Coop is almost exactly that. I had (at one point) 3 sites listing links to Coop members. Then, I had all their return links pointing at another site I run. Seemed fine & dandy. Edit: here's a link to the DP Coop -Tony
Thanks aboyd I'll check out the links, new view points are always useful. I understand Elee's point, however I work for a marketing agency we have lots of employees with different levels of SEO Experience and skill sets, design etc... so trust me our clients get a good value for money service. Plus we do not really charge our webshow clients more money for the seo services. We run webshows online exhibitins, we sell exhibitor packages for a set time, 1/2 a year or a year. We do lots of PR and work with media partners and national newpapers in the UK, we also work with trade associations and professional bodies. We have access to many databases plus own quite a few as well, so our main way of promoting the webshow and exhibtors is via email marketing and PR. We also dabble in PPC. SEO we introduced last year, to gain more exposure for our clients on the net. IRE: Q1 - I knew that 3 way linking was a good technique as we already use it, simply wanted to see other seo professionals opinion. RE: Q2 - I was just tring to find out if any1 knew of a service to meet other marketing agencies or webmasters who have multiple sites and who were willing to participate in 3 way link exchanges. I didn't expect to be told I was inexperienced just because the questions were basic, but yes i can see Elee's point now. Anyway many thanks The DP coop sounds a good place to meet ppl so I'll defo check it out. Again many thanks for your help and advice. Kindest regards
there is an automated link service that can achieve multi-way linking across all the sites you control. But I was wondering why would you need such a service or tool if you can simply put a link on each site to achieve the multi-way linking?
You can do 3 way link exchanges in LinkMetro, just not many people know about it Its actually something we had built into the backend of the program for future installment, but a few people have found it out already Brad
Not sure how much success you guys get with 3 and 4 way link building. When I get the requests I simply deleted them from my email as fast as I get them. I went to the trouble a couple times of emailing the people, in which they agreed to do a normal link exchange. 1 week later, my link is gone, and showing up on this 3rd website. I dont waste my time anymore. What I found was alot of times I get an email saying they have "already included my link in site C". Problem is, site "C" just happens to be a site I already had a link showing in.
Yes I get alot of these "already included your link in site C" emails. They are trying to monopolize on the work I have already done with other sites. Hoping we dont realize that we actually did that link. This is a dirty tactic for people trying to get free links. If you want a free link, build some good content or service and you will get all the free links you want. Brad
Brad, How exactly do you set up 3 way link exchanges on linkmetro? It is sort of lacking on support documents. I made a little 3 way link exchange with like 20 of my sites, but I fear that the real reason generic link exchanges don't work, is more because of duplicate content penalities on links pages then the actual reciprication Also that service rsslinkexchange supports multi site linking which is sort of like circular linking
hi Fitzy, SportsOutlaw, and ferret77, You are right that it can be very effort-intensive to multi-link effectively. if you are interested in 3-way links or multi-way linking, LinksCitadel specializes in this area. There is a live 4-way links example and documentation to explain the procedure that proves the multilinking concept works effectively, even up to million-way linking. Linkscitadel has built-in free features for members: In any type of link exchange, it is important that when your partner decides to change their description or other parameters later, to get your approval all over again. The system regularly checks for changes in variable anchor text and description, including missing links, tampering with robots.txt, meta tags, etc (not that anyone would intentionally do this, but I have seen it before). For example, if this is not checked, partners can describe their site as "web hosting" one day, and then change to "adult dating" later if their "web hosting" business model did not work out. Or a few weeks later, they can accidentally place a "nofollow" tag that was meant for another link. If you have many sites, you can easily configure multi-way linking in both Open Loop or Closed Loop configurations. The automatic reciprocal linking is free. There is a small cost to use multi-way linking feature, but if you would like to try it out and give us a good testimonial later, we can configure some of your sites for free. Please PM.
Hi fitzy In fact we are going to launch an automated multi-way-links service within a month. I would appreciate any suggestion would be made. - Service is going to be free to start with (to create a core of members) - Members do not need to have more than one sites to participate (although they could have as many as they like) - The assignment of the inbound and outbound links is done automatically and changes as new sites join. - Links are at least 3 way (around 10% of them) and this goes even deeper (i.e. 4, 5, 6, 7...way) - Links appear naturally. Thats is they do not appear instantly, but 10-15 or 20 per day (inbound and outbound) - Deep Site Linking and Multiple keyword promotion -> Up to 5 different pages for each domain Up to 5 different anchor and up to 2 different description for each page - Every member directory is unique - no other member has the same outbound and/or inbound links - there is no pagerank leak back to our site (that is there is no link back to us visible by search engines) - Memberrs cannot exclude individual sites, but they can reportthem if they find them inappropriate (i.e. spam sites) - Although ALL sites are manually reviewed after they register. - Members CAN exclude categories, but this exclusion will take place once a category reaches a certain amount of sites (around 50) What we are thinking on and so would appreciate any suggestion is the following: - Members on same category could have links exchanged between them (traditional 2 way linking) - Members could exchange with any other members certain amount of links (a proportion of the total multi way links they have). - Members could add on the directory that appears on their site certain amount of EXTERNAL LINKS they exchange. Thanks in advance for your time I would really appreciate any suggestion