20k unique/day and 250k views/day = 6 USD a day?

Discussion in 'Pay Per Click Advertising' started by TurningHead, Jun 7, 2012.

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Considering my stats *AND* my requirements, how much should I make?

  1. ~6 USD/day (you don't believe I can do anything to make it higher)

    8.3%
  2. ~8 USD/day

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  3. ~10 USD/day

    25.0%
  4. ~12 USD/day (should be double of what I'm making now)

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  5. ~15 USD/day

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  6. ~20 USD/day

    8.3%
  7. ~25 USD/day (I'm missing a lot of potential at the moment)

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  8. ~30 USD/day

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  9. More than 35 USD/day (what spell must I learn?)

    58.3%
  1. #1
    Hey fellas, let me get straight to the point.

    I operate a fairly popular site:

    + Over 20000 unique visitors per day
    + Over 250000 page views per day
    + Average length per visit is 10 minutes
    + 43% of my visitors are from USA
    + After that they come from Canada (5%), Japan (5%), UK (5%) and Germany (5%)

    All of these stats come from Google Analytics so I'd assume they are fairly accurate. If anything they might be a little too low since some folks prefer to block analytics so that they aren't tracked by Google all the time.

    I use two ad-providers at the moment:

    + Adult Ad World: Interstitial ads (shown once per day per unique visitor)
    + AdEngage: Top banner, thumbnail-type (shown on every page view)

    From Adult Ad World I earn on average a whopping 4 USD each day, and from AdEngage I get about 2 bucks a day.

    Pretending that 75% of my users have ad-blocking enabled that still would give 5k uniques and ~63k views per day. I've seen fellas around here talk about how they've earned much more on similar or even lower than those numbers. And without US traffic. My hits are over 40% from the US, which are supposed to count as high-quality traffic from what I understand. Clearly I must be doing something wrong here. Right?

    That's why I'm here seeking your good advice! What should I do? How high should I be able to go? Is 6 USD per day just about right or can I reach 10? Higher?

    My visitors are 90% male and age 15-30 most commonly, with emphasis below 25 years-old. Probably several over 30 too. I reckon most of them are smart enough to not click stupid ads such as "you are the millionth winner" and I also reckon that bad ads will insult them to either use the site much less or finally get that ad-blocking plugin that they have been thinking about.

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    Some details about my site. I'm very open-minded. Everything goes except for the utter-most illegal. You know, where real children come to harm? The site contains a broad mixture of porn (all kinds imaginable except in-real-life C.P.) but also a whole lot of non-porn content that most of the site's visitors probably never see (but thousands do, everybody is not there only for the porn). The site has lots of information and provide useful services. Everything is however mixed together, there is no separation and you can see porn right next to a cute kitty.

    That illustrates my first problem with finding good ad providers.

    Concerning the actual ad-provider I have a couple of not-too-small demands. First of all I must be able to get paid through PayPal. Not too big of a problem since it is pretty common. Second of all I'm not in the US, so they must support paying non-US publishers. Lastly, and here's the onion, I want only to need to provide them with my PayPal address. I can give other information, just as long as I don't have to basically send in my passport and give them a "direct line" to me so to speak. For example I don't want to have to give them my cell phone number or anything like that. I wanted to try out JuicyAds, however I can't get past their phone verification. I'm just very careful and paranoid about these things, especially online.

    That illustrates my second problem with finding good ad providers.

    Now on to the actual ads. Most important: No redirectors. The provider must be serious about this, no half-assed "I'll remove the redirectors if you mail me (haha, no I won't)" stuff. I've got zero tolerance about page redirections, as does my visitors of course. Don't want to lose them or force them to block all ads. Almost most important: No sound. Not only is it extremely annoying but my site content uses sound sometimes so it will collide with the ads. Lastly: No popups. Well I might put it in the places where there are a lot of porn since porn-people are probably used to popups. But they'd have to pay damn well. I was about to try out the sliding ads on TrafficRevenue, however at the last minute I read that a lot of people said that they are doing a lot of redirections. I went on a site that I knew used them and true enough I was redirected.

    That illustrates my third problem with finding good ad providers.

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    Alright, pardon the wall of text but if I'm going to ask for help I might as well do it seriously and provide all facts. I might give my site name down the road in this thread, by PM if anything else, but I'm hesitating since I don't know if it can be harmful to the site or my account at Adult Ad World and AdEngage.

    Even if you don't read everything above I'll be happy for every reply I get, no matter if they collide with my interests a little.
     
    TurningHead, Jun 7, 2012 IP
  2. TurningHead

    TurningHead Peon

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    TL;DR: Does anybody have any tips on ad providers that allow porn sites and don't have redirecting ads or ads with audio?
     
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  3. XootMedia

    XootMedia Greenhorn

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    We have announced you in private message.
     
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  4. TurningHead

    TurningHead Peon

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    Alright I've had two recommendations via private message. The first one reads:

    And the second one:

    Does anyone have anything to say about these two ad-providers?

    I thought AdBrite didn't accept porn sites and instead made a sister-site: blacklabelads.com (which I can't use since they only pay via cheques - I need a PayPal option).
    According to this page AdBrite doesn't allow porn: help.adbrite com/index.php?sid=35425453&lang=en&action=artikel&cat=3&id=10&artlang=en
    So they are out.

    The second one, xoot... well, I don't know. Seems to promise high, and that 800x600 ad is pretty big. Anyone tried them?
     
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  5. programware

    programware Greenhorn

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  6. okpa

    okpa Well-Known Member

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    pixfuter good for you
     
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  7. mediafireme

    mediafireme Peon

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    infolinks is best
     
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  8. pigpromoter

    pigpromoter Well-Known Member

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    #8
    You might be a bit too paranoid about providing information over the Internet. Even so, why don't you set up a mail forwarding service that would re-route your checks? Or a PO Box? Paypal is sometimes picky on affiliate networks, which is a major reason why a lot of them don't use it. You're limiting your options A LOT.
     
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  9. XootMedia

    XootMedia Greenhorn

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    The reason why we promised to pa high rates Is because will load 5 ads from 5 ad networks that supports us will be viewed ads.
    If we are pleased from your traffic even we can pay up to 0.45$ for 1000 Views.
     
    XootMedia, Jun 10, 2012 IP
  10. dungdenvn

    dungdenvn Well-Known Member

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    I have to let you know. With an adult site. Earning like that is ok since adult traffic is the easiest traffic you can make. Forget about Pageview. 20.000 unique visitors for adult traffic make $6 - $10 only. I see much bigger site make less income than you actually right now.

    Try juicyads since they sell the spot fast if your price is ok. But be ware since they already rip me off one time by disable my account.
     
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  11. TurningHead

    TurningHead Peon

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    The quote buttons don't work for me for some reason so I'll just do like this: ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... @okpa >pixfuter good for you ... Are you sure they accept porn? As usual I can't find anything about what they accept on their site. ... I think I would like to try pixfuter since you recommended it, you've been a member on Digital Point since 2010 and have made 536 posts. You don't just advertise in all of your posts either. So you seem trustworthy, I just need to make sure they accept porn before I apply. ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... @mediafireme >infolinks is best ... I don't want to use ad-links inside text, first of all I think it makes the site look bad and second of all I don't think they work that well (although I can't say until I've tried of course). ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... @pigpromoter >You might be a bit too paranoid about providing information over the Internet. Even so, why don't you set up a mail forwarding service that would re-route your checks? Or a PO Box? Paypal is sometimes picky on networks, which is a major reason why a lot of them don't use it. You're limiting your options A LOT. ... I have no idea how to do those things, I've never dealt with cheques in all my life. I'm not in the US. ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... @XootMedia >The reason why we promised to pa high rates Is because will load 5 ads from 5 ad networks that supports us will be viewed ads. If we are pleased from your even we can pay up to 0.45$ for 1000 Views. ... Thing is, your ad was a bit big. But you're saying that INSIDE your 800x600 ad box there will load five separate ads? I'd like to hear a bit from other members about you guys. To be honest your poor English, choice of top level domain and your site design doesn't exactly radiate confidence. Your site won't even load for me at the moment. ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... @dungdenvn >I have to let you know. With an adult site. Earning like that is ok since adult is the easiest traffic you can make. Forget about Pageview. 20.000 unique visitors for adult traffic make $6 - $10 only. I see much bigger site make less income than you actually right now. Try juicyads since they sell the spot fast if your price is ok. But be ware since they already rip me off one time by disable my account. ... I understand why adult sites count as they have easy traffic, visitors just follow their dick and click everywhere. However my site doesn't only have porn and a lot of my hits are from those seeking information or entertainment. I have no way to measure this in numbers but I guess at least 25% of my visitors come for other purposes than porn. ... I would like to try Juicy Ads but as I mentioned I can't get past their phone verification thing. I've tried real phones in USA and re-routed them to my IP phone - no luck. I've tried public phones in hospitals here in my country - no luck. I've tried free "send SMS to this phone" services - no luck (since they (probably a robot) call and don't just send SMS). If anyone have ANY idea of how to get past their phone verification, please let me know. ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... You know, I've never advertised my site on forums and the like. All my traffic comes from word-of-mouth of my visitors. Maybe I should try to spread some links around and see if it increases my visitor count.
     
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  12. TurningHead

    TurningHead Peon

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    OK I have no idea why but for some reason all my line breaks didn't show up in my post above. I tried to edit it several times, same thing. So I replaced all my line breaks with a bunch of dots to make it a little more readable. Sorry guys, hope you can read my reply anyway. Not my fault, seems like Digital Point has a bug.
     
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  13. TurningHead

    TurningHead Peon

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    Okpa: Do pixfuter accept sites with porn on them? I tried searching the forums for "pixfuter" and it appears like they are only discussed in this thread.

    You know, funny thing is that I used to be able to earn around ~10-15 USD a day on my site about a year ago. At the time I was using "Etology" to serve my ads. I only had a single ad I seem to recall. Worked good for a couple of months, until one day when they all of a sudden closed the site and stole two months worth of money from me (after 5 months of empty promises and "delays" I finally gave up and realized they were thieves).

    Is there really no place today that is as good as Etology was? I mean before they turned into assholes that stole their user's money.

    Edit: Now line breaks work for me again, good. Guess Digital Point must have done some background work or something when I posted my previous post.
     
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  14. senseless.tv

    senseless.tv Peon

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  15. AaronZ101

    AaronZ101 Active Member

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    Probably somewhere between $20-$30?
     
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  16. okpa

    okpa Well-Known Member

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    nop you can't use
     
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  17. webguru85

    webguru85 Greenhorn

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    I use myself and recommend adxpansion.com

    If you want to set me up as referral my username is webguru85 :)
     
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  18. preform

    preform Peon

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    Quite cheap .
     
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