2012 again

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by babak44, Oct 31, 2010.

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    recently saw it in the news and search for same article in Nasa site and found it
    http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/04jun_swef/

    I don't know how much it could be serious but remember last month I saw a thread in digitalpoint and link in Nasa site that shown no problem at all!
     
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    I tend not to worry. We heard the same prognostications about potential Y2K problems and... nothing. Solar activity could wipe out communications systems, but... really... we could survive without Earth shattering consequences. Food would still get from farm to market to table.
     
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    Interesting thread, Babak --

    It looks like they consider it a threat, but believe they'll be able to deal with it. From the article, "Much of the damage can be mitigated if managers know a storm is coming. Putting satellites in 'safe mode' and disconnecting transformers can protect these assets from damaging electrical surges. Preventative action, however, requires accurate forecasting—a job that has been assigned to NOAA."
     
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    yeah but in the article they didn't tell the period of time this phenomenon will take long. anyway safe mode means no communication probably! Iran won't encounter with great damage but for western society it could be disaster I guess.

    hope it was just for electric devices.
     
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    Don't you think Iran is as dependent on "high-tech systems" as we are?
     
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    in Iran banking systems and other financial is dependent same as most of people affaires. all of the people loves their cellular phones and now can't image world without it but anyway Iran economy is so weak in compare of you and sanctions are effecting and we are going to be more separate from the world so guess we won't be big loser in this way.
     
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    Iran has electronic banking, power grids, electronic communications, GPS navigation, numerous airlines and airports, and now Iran even has it's own space program, with the Omid satellite? Really, everything the article said could be "knocked out by intense solar activity" could apply to Iran, just as easily as it could for "western society". The difference may only be the extent of reliance on this technology? You're probably right, in an event such as this we may suffer a bit more.

    Btw, our economy is really bad too.
     
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    your knowing about Iran always wonder me!!? yeah even our cars in most of the roads and cities can equip by navigation systems (beside our cellular phones have it for free), can done our banking with our cellular phone, pay tickets, buy goods and reserve hotel via internet like other parts of the world.
    right now people are so worry about our economic crisis and because of severe sanctions people anticipate economy collapse in future soon. posibility of war that can send us to stone age so in 2012 don't know our situation really but as I see every thing goes for worse.
     
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    And Ahmadinejad, just in September was adamantly repeating that sanctions had absolutely no effect on Iran whatsoever. Not surprisingly, as in this interview he lied about numerous issues, not only the economy. If you are able to see this video, it's really worth watching. Talk of the economy is mainly from 4:43 to 6:42 of video. The interviewer of Ahmadinejad is Christiane Amanpour on Sept 19, 2010 in NY, and she had no hesitation about asking him hard questions:

    [video=youtube;wrOXWFccyPE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrOXWFccyPE&feature=player_embedded[/video]

    VodPod

    With the conditions as they are, you may not want to comment on any of this, because of it's political nature. On your comment of the possibility of war, I honestly don't believe that will happen. I hope not. Many countries, not just the US, don't want a nuclear Iran. That's why there are sanctions, because attempts at diplomacy have not been effective. Unfortunately, ordinary citizens in Iran are being adversely affected by all this.

    But, I'm sorry - I've taken this thread off track. Let's just talk about space storms and 2012...

    Babak, I just found this. It's on the Telegraph, so not sure how reliable this information is- LOL. But, more doom and gloom talk about space storms:

     
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    This is the way media accesses its nation. Nation is actually controlled by the media, this falls 100% true of USA, a nation of sheep. So, what they do is, by spreading this kind of hoax they try to access how much of the population actually believes such ridiculous things, like earth's last day is December 12, 2012, and sun will rise from the west in 2012, all humanity will perish in 2012 etc.
    And the people react, specially if you are in USA, you will see alot of depressed faces about 2012. Those are the worse of the sheeps. Some of them have even started to buy underground special capsules made to survive 2012 catastrophic events.
    How many of you have booked that one?
    So, its just a survey to check how much % of nation is a sheep and believe whatever we say. Can't say about any other nation but for USA its 100%.

    As I told earlier, the more the sheeps, the more the chances of winning WWIII.
     
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    This guy is hilarious/\:)
     
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    It looks like he's been dividing his time pretty evenly between the movies and the madrasah.
     
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    Did your goat tell you this? Does your sheep do everything you tell it to do? You have a strange obsession with farm animals. I'm trying to determine if it is the cause or the effect of your problems with women.
     
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    Thanks for videos and informations.
    You have to know that Ahmadinejad grew up in rural area in one of poorest part of Iran.
    Not sure about your peasants but here villagers are some what liar, cheeky and naughty.
    Ahmadinejad has this ability to look at your face and tell great lies which you know it. Just see his response to Sakineh verdict. After that Sakineh's son published his mother verdict in Internet. Now Sakineh's son is in jail.
    Christian Amanpour has Iranian passport because her father is Iranian and can speak Persian quite well. Her sister is living in Tehran. In that interview in NY she more asked what American audience wanted to hear not what Iranian want, guess it is normal anyway.

    Yeah right but if our economy plunge then our regime will lose legitimacy totally and haven't any excuse then, so we afraid of some provocative adventurous by them.
     
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    Lose legitimacy? I wasn't aware they had any of that particular commodity left. Didn't they do away with free and fair elections? From the cheap seats here in the USA, it looks like the 10% in Iran governs the 90%, and unlike Venezuela, the middle class can't just bail and wait for the implosion which invariably follows.

    I'm sure its not real pleasant to think about, but its hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel in Iran that doesn't involve a fair amount of violence, whether that violence be revolution from within or war with a neighbor(perhaps a coalition of neighbors). I suppose Iran could be allowed to go nuclear, which will mean Saudi Arabia and all of your neighbors are also going to want to go nuclear. At some point, a nice friendly conventional war will seem pretty bloodless by comparison.
     
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    As what our IT guys would say, don't forget to back your files up. :D
     
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    Yeah maybe I didn’t use right words.
    This 10 percent is fragile I think, before our last presidential election it was 20 percent I guess.
    Economy and employment rate is priority for Iranian same as American and other people in the world I think. Our regime does ultimate power to show us our economy work smoothly and prices never increase and doesn’t let inflation rise but as you know, no longer they can control it. Financial fall could shock people I think.
    They know that a conditional war could help them to got people support because Iranian same as American are so patriot unfortunately!
    They never dare to be starter of any war in the region so it possible to provoke powers to start it.
     
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    Fair point. If the economy fails, does the 10% grow and become more powerful, or do they lose power as the 90% decide they aren't going to take it anymore?


    Patriotism is normal and healthy, but I can definitely see where it could be used against you by your own leadership. I would figure an educated population would have a hard time being patriotic about a government that oppresses them. Our armed forces swear an oath to defend against all threats foreign and domestic. I suppose its just a matter of how far your nation's leader has to go before he is viewed as a domestic threat by it's own people. I know Ahmadinijad's statements about Israel, the Holocaust, and Jews, coupled with his clear desire for nuclear weapons stand a very reasonable chance of instigating an defensive first strike against Iran by Israel, which the US would have little choice but to side with Israel on.
     
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    You're welcome. I know, even with this video, he told several lies. I'm not even that involved in politics, and I know it. Certainly, he would be aware his interviewer knows, but it's as if it doesn't even bother him. With Sakineh, he said that she was never given the stoning penalty, but our media actually has obtained copies of the court papers, and yes she was. Though, it shouldn't be just an objection only to stoning, but to the injustice in her case. In regards to her son, it's just unthinkable that he's been arrested for simply speaking to journalists. It's all really sad.

    Out of curiousity, what questions do you think Iranians would have wanted her to ask?

    I hadn't thought of that, but excellent point. While I agree, that does pose a risk, I'm not sure how it all could be handled differently.
     
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    Quote of the day. Looking forward, it seems there are certain sad but inevitable actions/reactions coming up, baring some unforeseen out of character behavior from Iran's leadership. If I find it frightening, I cant imagine how someone like Babak must view it.
     
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