20 elementary school children plus 6 adults shot dead by a guy with a gun

Yes. It's normal for off-duty police to work 10-hour gigs during their day off. They welcome the extra cash; however, most of these gigs are at night, there are few day jobs. Guarding a school off-duty during the day, is certainly more rewarding than getting paid to guard a nightclub at night from gangbangers.

Here's some math:
As of April 2011, the 92 departments employed 6,656 officers in Connecticut.. The Connecticut State Police employ 1,248 troopers. That's 7,904 officers.
There are 1057 public schools in CT handing kindergarten to High School.
Cops work a 5-day work week, which means that on any given day 2258 officers are on their day off (7,904*2/7). While that's only about two officers per school, if off-shift officers work partial school shifts, there's no limit to the number of officers that can work this duty. AND IT'S EASY DUTY! It's easier than sitting in their car at the site of road construction doing nothing - and here in Massachusetts, the police are freaked at losing the pay for that easy detail when the state cancelled their easy patrol.

I predict the policeman's unions are going to be pushing for these school guard details.

You're behavior is DISGUSTING and how is it you're missing the point? I'm saying that if Sandy Hook had an armed guard, then Lanza wold have been too much of a coward to show up in the first place! IT'S CALLED DETERRENCE! Understand now?

Bob, this is a very serious issue and you are embarrassing yourself. Check yourself before you write, O.K.?

 

Don't really care mate. Just read this article about Americans killing children and adults in other countries.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/for-whom-do-we-cry-20121223-2btp5.html

Quite happy for you people to buy more guns and continue down your chosen path. Arm your schools, buy bigger and more guns. Such joy. Enjoy.

 

Hmm. Speaking of teachers, and big mouths, no action... pretty sure I've mentioned before that I served on a school board finance committee. I volunteered my time, for three years. One thing I made sure we did was give teachers raises. We had one of the top school districts in the nation. [fwiw, we did it without raising taxes... unlike the assholes in DC, we knew how to find budget cuts to pay for our initiatives, and we had a balanced budget]

So apparently all right wingers arent out to cut pay and fire the teachers...
and unless you personally donated similar time, maybe there are some on the left with "Big mouths. No action.". Perhaps even in your chair. Imagine that.

 

Good for you, Rob.

Regardless, as it relates to guns, the NRA wants to put an armed guard in every school. You probably recall at Columbine there was an armed guard. Regardless the shooters killed 12 students, one teacher, and injured 21. The armed guard was not too effective that day.

There is no way in hell the NRA proposal will go anywhere in the US. Meanwhile in the last few days some nut case shot a woman in a church in PA and two others and earlier today some M' F'ers killed two fireman and injured 2 others, thereby also limiting an ability to fight and control a fire in Rochester, NY.

Would you support armed guards at every church and with every firetruck that gets called. Where else would you suggest armed guards?

Its a whacked one sided crazed suggestion by the NRA that additionally blamed everything and everyone else for the violence but of course won't touch guns.

Meanwhile in the US today, assault weapons are easy to access by anyone, guns are incredibly easy to purchase across the nation. Ammo of all sorts is available in every capacity, and the NRA and its supporters will raise a holy hell campaign against anyone who opposes it.

But every day people get shot up. I know you suggest that in Texas where lots of folks are very familiar with guns, "good samaritans" and "law abiding "good guys" can turn the tide.

According to these statistics the results on violent crimes in Texas are pretty piss poor: http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank21.html. Texas ranked in the bottom third of states ranking 15th most violent.

There is a different model for controlling gun violence. Its used around the world. Its called gun control. It has many different levels of application. Where ever it seems to be applied it appears the death by gun rates drop dramatically.

 

Again, the media and Obama turn to attacking a group to spin the spotlight away from themselves. And leftist loonies, like the one above, take the bait and run with it.

[video=youtube;u5ynVMBxOus]http://youtu.be/u5ynVMBxOus[/video]

"Improving school safety, improving mental health and addressing a culture that glorifies guns and violence."

How exactly do the above comments, attack the problem?

The left love proposing things that just aren't possible. With 300 million guns in existence "Gun Control" is pretty much a joke.. Do you honestly think the Government is going to be able to walk in to people's homes and take away their guns?

Let's be realistic.

 

Too bloody right mate, you stick to your guns. Those volunteer firemen leaving their homes at midnight to save someone's house were just more collateral damage in the war against a government that want to take away your freedom. This is America!!! Stand up for the Second Amendment!!

Those kids being murdered is just a small price to pay for everyone else to have a gun and let's be real here, people aren't killed by guns they're killed by people. Buy more guns!!!

Get yourselves a real special semi-something for Christmas, your God wants you to.

 

Clueless....

 

And that's exactly how I feel about Americans saying the exact same things that I just said. And you blokes say them time after time.

 

So Earl - I gave a fair example of how your slander about the right wanting to reduce pay or fire teachers didn't hold water.

I gather from your answer you do not share my record of effort on behalf of teachers, or the record of economically sound educational excellence the Carroll School of the era set forth while in the hands of us crazy right wingers. Shouldn't you have apologized for being abjectly wrong before launching into a brand new set of accusations?

Merry Christmas. Tomorrow you can take the day off from mindlessly slandering everyone that disagrees with your politics. Don't worry, we won't tell Obama.

 

Earl, wake up. The NRA's proposal already has the support of police officers. And it's starting to be implemented:
NJ Schools To Employ Armed Police Officers When Classes Resume In 2013
If you bother to read the article (I'm betting you won't) you'll see that the mayor of Marlboro pushing this measure is Jonathan Hornik, a DEMOCRAT. Meanwhile, the opposition is Governor Chris Christie, a Republican.

Camden school district says armed police at every school would be 'significant help'

Earl, may I point something out to you?

One-third of public schools nationwide already have armed guards on campus!

Earl, you have no credibility on this issue.

Now you are forcing me to just call you a liar, Earl. You are full of shit. Assault weapons are not easy to access by anyone. You are full if shit. You are lying. You are a liar.

Look, you've pretty much lost this debate. You refuse to engage in direct debate. You've been presented cold, hard facts. I've shown you plenty of references, and presented you with math. All this obviously gets in the way of your emotions. You don't see children to protect, you see politicians to attack, don't you? The cold, hard reality I have to conclude is that the horrible deaths of those children in Connecticut serve your political cause. To you, their corpses are just political tools.

Rational, level heads will determine how to respond to this tragedy. Not political emotional rage like yours.

 

Rob: I said good for you. Look, I review some expenses for a bunch of businesses every week. Any entity should have somebody doing that on a regular basis all the time. Its easy to overspend on crap. It happens everywhere, governments, businesses, homes, you name it. I would think that a school board should have a professional dedicated to that. If not, they are going to overspend on all sorts of crap...and if smart people go in there periodically they'll find all kinds of waste.

Good for you.

 

Corwin: A few days ago I looked at your numbers. For once, following endless times of both completely arguing like a little ignorant brat or somebody who completely gets things wrong you found something that possibly made sense. I probably found the same statistics as you. Off duty cops might be very capable of staffing schools dependent on scheduling and days off. Likewise there are about 600,000 cops around the nation (2008) stats with 100,000 schools. The same might work around the country based on just numbers without getting into facts.

Regardless:

Here is the bigger picture on mass gun violence.

Per the Brady Campaign: http://www.bradycampaign.org/ during the 2nd half of 2012, starting July 1, (and not finished yet) there have been 86 mass killing murders and 164 wounded in the US. That is in less than 6 months.

26 died in an elementary school. People also were just shot fighting a fire in Rochester, NY and at a rural church and nearby in Pennsylvania. People were shot in theaters, places of work, at bars, on the street, at malls, in cities, suburbs and rural areas, in states across the nation. People who shouldn't have had access to guns got them. People shot others with automatic weapons. 60 were shot dead at places other than schools, and 164 were injured at places other than schools in MASS SHOOTINGS. (I'm not even counting the one person killings or when a kid mistakenly takes his/her life or that of someone else with a loaded gun, or any other kind of shooting.

Lots of shootings. Just in 6 months.

The NRA proposal ignores all of that. Lots of guns on the street available to any person at any time, including people who are not supposed to have access to them. Automatic and semi automatic weapons available at every turn. There are plenty of NRA members who are hunters who acknowledge assault weapons make no sense. There are further NRA members and gun owners who dramatically differ from the NRA leadership. that is a recent poll.

While ignoring all other considerations the NRA wants to put a cop in every school.

Great: 100,000 schools. 5 days a week. at one armed guard per school let the NRA and its ardent followers pay for it. Whatever the cost. There are a lot of off duty cops who would like your money. Which one of you wants to step up and pay for it? If you don't want to pay for it, then get some folks to audit every single one of those 100,000 schools and figure out where to save money, how to raise teachers salaries, and how to pay for the protection without cutting other costs. go for it. But the NRA and its ardent defenders have to be responsible for it.

Meanwhile there are issues of gun control. Lot of violence out there in every nook and corner of the country.

In Texas, where a lot of folks have weapons and many of the arguments arise about how there should be more armed people walking around and that they'll control the maniacs and limit violence: the rate of shootings is damned high as of 2011: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state

699 gun murders making up 64% of all murders in the state, and at an average murder rate that is above the national average. The arguments don't jive with the facts and reality.

 

Every time there's a shooting that injures children, the left rolls out heir pet project to start banning fireams. I've yet to figure out why they dont call for a return to Prohibition every time a drunk plows over a kid in a school zone. Guns save more lives than Scotch and kill less.

 

20 6 and 7 year olds were killed by an asshole with an automatic weapon. The conversations are about "controlling firearms, not banning them. Afterwards some other asshole killed a woman at a church in rural PA and then two guys before he was killed. Then another m'fer who never should have gotten a weapon set fire to a house, shot and killed two firemen, injured two others and kept the firemen at bay enabling the fire to spread to more homes.

None of those types of murders with guns occurred in the nations w/ some kinds of controls on guns in the last few weeks. Meanwhile in Mexico they are shooting people up like crazy from all the weapons they purchase in the US. Some folks are trying to cut back on murders. Others aren't.

 

And the stupidity continues...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/25/us/new-york-gun-permit-map/index.html?c=mobile-homepage-t

 

I gather you havent heard anything about the murder stats in Chicago, which has some of the strictest "gun control" in the country. The media hates to mention it cause it doesnt fit their fantasy where criminals actually obey laws.

Added: incidentally, you didnt address my point. Why arent you beating the drum for prohibition of alcohol? If youre gonna suggest i'm on the side of people getting shot, the same logic makes you a fan of drunks running people down in cars.

 

Earl won't address the banning of alcohol, Rob.

As I had already explained to Earl
Heroin, cocaine, etc are banned in the USA, yet a thriving and violent criminal underworld exists to supply these drugs. Earl seems to think that all Obama needs to do is come down from the mountain and proclaim that firearms are banned and that is that. He ignores that criminals find a way - even if it means creating a nationwide Chicago-style criminal organization to supply those guns.

As I had already explained to Earl:
We have Mexicans streaming across the border every day carrying entire diningroom sets. It's a simple matter to pay those illegals to come across the border with machine guns for sale and delivery to criminals across the border.

Earl thinks this is checkers. This isn't checkers, this is chess, and Earl is, no disrespect intended, thinking too way simplistic.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Earl, if bullshit were music you'd be a symphony. If you can't write like an adult, then you can't understand this discussion.

 

(Changed the order of comments)

I addressed the drunk driving question a while back. (I'm surprised you don't read every word I write!!) I referenced MADD (mothers against drunk driving). Basically since MADD started pushing the issue and regulations have toughened starting around 1982 or so, deaths by drunk driving have dropped from about 21,000/year around 1982 to about 15,000 in 1992 to about 10-11,000 last year. The decrease in drunk driving deaths has been steady and consistent over the years. Drinking isn't banned. Its regulated. Driving while drinking is more rigorously enforced. The statistics are markedly better. Nothing has been banned. Nothing works all the time. The number of deaths is way way lower.

Like I said above nothing works all the time. Chicago has had a rash of shootings, killings, injuries throughout the year. Its been going on all year. OTOH I'm not paying attention to DC statistics but they seem to be way down. Chicago is f*cked these days no doubt about it. Do you want to suggest vigilantes?

 

In the case of chicago i'd probably think nukes a better option... But illinois mileage may vary.

David - We could probably go back and forth on this issue for another month, but as it is safe to say neither is remotely likely to move to the other's position it'd be a pretty pointless exercise... So i'm prepared to let it pass unheralded by a protracted exchange. Hell, it pains me to let you languish in a position of ignorance and obvious moral squalor... But i cant rehabilitate everyone. Have a good New Year.

 

Agree

Agree again.