19,000 U.S. Soldiers Raped Every Year

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Mikaël2, Dec 16, 2011.

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    [video=youtube;HAzya6s9LXI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAzya6s9LXI[/video]

    Why do American soldiers rape each other?
     
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    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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    So out of the 200.000 women that serve in the US Military 19.000 got raped ? That makes every 1 in 10 , somehow i find that number hard to believe . Even if you assume that the gender is out of the equation *puke* you get 1 in every 100 soldiers got raped . This number is only 33 times higher the rape ratio in the US .

    Knowing a few US soldier i can say that rape isn't a favorite pastime , so mathematics and common sense call this number bullshit .
     
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  3. Mikaël2

    Mikaël2 Member

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    You are assuming only women get raped..
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    The same reason rape happens all over the world.

    By the way, the video says 19,000 sexual assaults or rapes, not exclusively rapes. Neither is acceptable, but it is simply false to claim that there are 19,000 rapes when that is not the language that was used. I am not sure, as I have not looked into it, what constitutes a "sexual assault" as used in this instance but it probably includes all sorts of touchings or things that are not anything like a rape as you use the term.
     
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    Isuru Active Member

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    Yeah, men can get raped too, even by women and by men. Sexual assault has long history and it is a burning problem, not only in US.
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    (So I looked it up)
    What Constitutes Sexual Assault

    Sexual assault is a crime. It is defined as intentional sexual contact, characterized by use of force, physical threat or abuse of authority or when the victim does not or cannot consent. Sexual assault includes:

    Rape
    Nonconsensual sodomy (oral or anal sex)
    Indecent assault (unwanted, inappropriate sexual contact or fondling) or attempts to commit these acts.

    Sexual assault can occur without regard to gender or spousal relationship or age of victim.

    http://myduty.mil/index.php/service-member-guidance-overview-link
     
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  7. Mikaël2

    Mikaël2 Member

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    Rape is in all countries, we know that, but this is the US military. The amount of rapes or sexual assaults (whatever you wanna call it) is extremely high, just think about it, 19,000 every single year raped or sexually assaulted! How will they overcome the enemy if they are busy raping each other?
     
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    Careful now, you true motives are showing. I know, it was hard to help yourself from turning a thread about rape of service members into one about your opinion on Iraq and Afghanistan. Pretty lame nexus you are trying to make.
     
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    if they rape each other so much I think it is very safe to assume that they rape others even more...
     
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    Is that why you are so bitter?
     
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  11. Mikaël2

    Mikaël2 Member

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    I suppose this is why they joined the military in the first place, you can rape as you wish (even your own colleagues) knowing the authorities won't do anything to you. This is how soldiers were hired in the past, they were told they can take spoils of war, take women captive and rape them, they are still practising the same old.
     
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    sunfyre7896 Peon

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    I like how you keep trying to say it's all rape. It has been pointed out twice by Brwntwn that the number includes sexual assaults and not just rape. Basically, most of these numbers, almost all, are probably fondling with clothes on as a forward advancement and have no actual rape included. I would almost bet a lot of money that less than 5% or even 3% are actual rapes in the intercourse sense.

    It is clear that you want to criticize our service members and our presence in both Iraq and Afghanistan as was also pointed out. Please take your anti-American rhetoric and agenda to some other forum where people actually want to hear these sorts of slanderous accusations. Thanks.
     
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    For raping each other.
     
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    In case you didn't noticed in the final equation i took out the gender . So 2.000.000 soldiers (male and female) with an average rape rate of 28.6 per 100k should equal a maximum of 672 rapes per year . If you take (19000/2)/286 you get rape rate 33 times higher then the average . So math says this number is bull and common sense says this number is made up .

    Either that or the soldiers go for a rape instead of going for a beer .
     
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    So saying to a woman or a shemale in the uniform '' hi there'' constitutes sexual assault , well no wonder the statistics are so gloomy
     
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    Or maybe some idiots made up the statistics at the command of idiots that have interests . Think about it , the congers bitch was saying that the US must do something , so what course of actions will be taken :

    - some sensitivity training for the soldiers : someone makes money off those and as a side effect the soldiers will be less tough (a lot of people would like that) ;
    - anti rape stuff to protect the women : again someone will make lots of money off this ;
    - forced affirmative action to get women in position of power in the military : again someone will gain some nice promotions despite lacking the requirements and again the US military will get weaker (China and the terrorists would love this) ;

    So don't assume it's just stupidity , it malevolence disguised as stupidity . Stupidity alone wouldn't have made it this far .
     
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    Just a thought, but the average person doesn't join the military. (Remember, the US military is just about 100% volu8nteer.) The type of person who joins the military is different from the average. That difference includes such things as men thinking of women as "things" whose only purpose is to serve men (in both senses).

    The argument that there's something unnatural about there being more rape in the military than in the population at large is close to the argument that it's unnatural for the majority of Afro-Americans to have darker skin than the average American at large. You take a population sample in which a trait is overrepresented, then claim it's unnatural for the trait to be overrepresented. (In statistics it's called cherrypicking, and doing it can ruin a researcher's reputation.)

    That said, I'm not condoning rape. Or even sexual assaults. (Or even making someone you work with feel uncomfortable due to sexual advances.) But let's not make up blame - let's blame the real cause. (Giving "sensitivity training" to a sexual predator is like giving fur grooming lessons to a fish.) If make aggressiveness grounds for not allowing someone into the military you destroy the military. If you have an overabundance of aggressive men - in any situation - you have sexual assault and rape if women are present.

    "Anti rape stuff to protect the women"? A K-bar isn't enough? How about a firearm? Training in personal combat? They already get these things. You're not going to "train" a woman who's afraid to report a rape how to report a rape. For all the "stuff" you give her, there are 10 male soldiers ready to find an AK-47 (or whatever some terrorist had when he was killed) and put a bullet in the back of her head.

    "Forced affirmative action to get women in position of power in the military"? You want to give 4 star General Ann E. Dunwoody a fifth star? Not many men make it to 4 stars. There are many women in positions of power in the US military. But on the ground they're women surrounded by armed men. You don't counter 6 million years of evolution with "sensitivity training".
     
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    Yes so the military is made up of psychos - thank you for your logically argument reply . However what you just said are words and although you fear the the big bad soldiers statistics show that they are normal people , they're just physically tough and trained to do their job and neutralize the enemy . Nothing more or less .
     
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