100-000 in the UK convert to Islam

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by IsraeI, Apr 18, 2011.

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Are you suprised?

  1. Yes

    45.5%
  2. No

    54.5%
  1. #1
    Source: Here.

    Excerpt: "The survey of converts revealed nearly two thirds were women, more than 70 per cent were white and the average age at conversion was just 27."
     
    IsraeI, Apr 18, 2011 IP
  2. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    Well I for one think it is great news, though I have to admit I don't like the way the article was put together. It really seems like the author was trying to build fear of Islamification by posting pictures of women in Burqas and posting the "100,000 converts" number as if there were 100,000 newly converted Muslims in the UK last year.

    When you read through the small print of the article, it points out that the real number is 40,000 new Muslim converts since 2001, or an average of 4,000 converts a year for the last decade. When you consider that the population of Britain has jumped by 12 million people during the same period of time, it would seem the truth of the matter is that Islam is actually shrinking in the UK as a percentage of the population.

    Also in the body of the article, the author discloses that only slightly more than half the women who have converted even wear a hijab, but that didn't stop him from posting pictures of burqa clad women front and center.

    All in all, it doesn't serve the interests of Muslims to exaggerate these numbers, regardless of whether it is an Islamophobe, like the author of the article, or a lunatic goat herding heretic like the OP.
     
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    cientificoloco Well-Known Member

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    #3
    This is an unfair debate. You are using text comprehension, reasoning and other deceiving techniques against a goat herder.
     
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  4. IsraeI

    IsraeI Peon

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    Every time I see SP's threads one word comes to mind - LOL .
     
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    They say Freemasonry is growing too, I guess cults are on the increase.
     
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    i heard that after few decades, many European countries will become Islamic states.
     
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    Not in a million years . Europe has one of the oldest and richest cultures (if not the richest) cultures on the planet . Besides there are laws being put in place and formulated to prevent a cultural meltdown .
     
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    I practically laughed out loud when I read these lines together:

    In other words, 500,000 new Muslims in the last four years, 300,000 of which are new borns. While I'm certain you don't have any children, as I find it unlikely any woman would touch you, let me assure you as a father that children age 4 and below do not have any deeply held religious convictions. They are a clean slate, and in a free society, they will remain that way until age 21 or so when these types of beliefs really gel.

    If it were anyone else, I'd be scratching my head wondering why someone claiming to be a Muslim would actively publish articles based on lies and half truths to breed fear of Muslims. You started this thread off with a hit piece that tried to imply all of Great Britain was converting to burqa wearing fundamentalists. When that was pointed out, you post this ridiculous article, written by a known islamophobe.

    Why are you trying to breed fear of Islam? I can agree that your particular belief system is something to be concerned about, but seriously, you represent a microscopic portion of more than a billion calling themselves Muslim worldwide. I can't get any more concerned about you than I can any murderer, pedophile, rapist, or other fringe member of society.
     
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    #10
    Children are born with the Spirit of the Outerworld, free from the inner trappings society bears upon them they unwittingly become ensnarled themselves and entrapped further by the falsehoods of scriptural religions.

    Conversion from one script to another simply is the rejection of the first and without reason for the second.
     
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  11. IsraeI

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    Nobody knows if it's a matter of decades or centuries, but there is no doubt that it will happen.
     
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    Keep dreaming fanatic , keep dreaming .
     
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    #13
    I am not going to doubt the 100,000 number. But would you mind giving me an accurate number of ex-Muslims who either converted to Christianity, Buddhism or simply chose to not believe in anything in order for me to put this into a better perspective?
     
    Blogmaster, Sep 26, 2011 IP
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    According to Al-Jazeera 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity each year. That's just Christianity though.
     
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    Do you have any reliable source in regards to how many Muslims "changed their minds" and why worldwide?
     
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  16. Seqqa

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    What's your idea of 'credible', with the majority of crap coming out of the radio, TV and the internet. It's hard to distinguish between BS propaganda and real news. Since it's a crime punishable by death to leave Islam, I'd be interested to know how Al-Jazeera got that information myself.
     
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    Jackpot for us!
     
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    Absolutely. My friend from the UK is visiting right now telling me how friends of hers have left Islam since hitting Britain. I hate propaganda and do not take sides, so I am very interested in stressing that those using statistics are also posting the other side of the spectrum. :)
     
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    Not the attitude i'd use .

    I'm happy to have more Christian brothers , especially since the new converts usually maintain the golden rule but most of all I'm happy that they are far less likely to fall into the hands of extremist organizations .

    Seqqa , I assume they got the information via a global estimate (they do have the financial power to buy a global study) and from census data . Since Al-Jazeera is a bit propagandistic I wouldn't be surprised if they even watered down the number .

    However i wouldn't count on this number to keep our behinds safe from extremists . Personally i would take great care to diffuse the demographic bomb .
     
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  20. Seqqa

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    Islam digs itself a hole, terrorism makes Islam look like some cult bent on death and destruction. Well that in society, in any society isn't socially acceptable. Most people don't want to be affiliated to anything that isn't socially acceptable any more which is why a lot of people are trying to quite smoking since they drove that to be socially unacceptable. The worst thing of all is the Muslim world and people in Islam hardly do anything to protect the reputation of their faith. You only ever seen the odd Muslim who actually cares about the reputation of their faith, most come across like they don't give two shits.

    I think people are in and out of Islam are also noticing the "I don't give a shit", attitude that's portrayed by many.

    I'm still waiting for the day Muslims protest over terrorism attracts like they did over the Christians burning the holy Qur'an.
     
    Seqqa, Sep 26, 2011 IP