#1 in google = less sales?

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  1. Madman340

    Madman340 Peon

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    #21
    It really just depends on the type of Googler it is that is looking for it... Sometimes I just zip down the list of results and don't pay more attention to #1 than #5 or 6.
     
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  2. TheRazor5

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    #22
    Are both of the pages the same? Are they a clone of each other?
     
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  3. seregap

    seregap Active Member

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    #23
    if you're asking about my pages then no, of course not
     
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  4. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    #24
    Actually its due to a failed understanding of user intent and SEO and SEM.

    Typically organic results are a waste of time. If you want to buy a product you could spend 30 minutes visiting sites that do not have the product you want.

    Paid ads will typically take you direct to what you want to buy in 30 seconds.

    People who use organic SERPs are usually researching things....they do not want to buy.

    People who click paid ads are typically looking to buy the product or service.

    Hope it helps!
     
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  5. lostshootingstar

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    #25
    I have a strange tendency of always clicking the 2nd position in google, i really dont know why.
     
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  6. seregap

    seregap Active Member

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    #26
    organic results - waste of time??
    no offence but its the stupidest thing i've heard in ages.
    i'ts probably due to your "failed understanding" of my original post.
    i was making MULTIPLE sales a day being on the 2nd spot, now i know something about SEM and what my traffic is looking for. 90% of my traffic comes via search terms that i specifically targeted, so dont tell me about SEO as well. organic traffic brings me more NET profit than paid ads in this particular niche. more than that most of my buyers don't even know the difference between normal serps and sponsored ads at the top and in sidebar, it's all search results to them.

     
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  7. dcristo

    dcristo Illustrious Member

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    #27
    Not true at all mate. I have never ventured into PPC and have never had a problem with conversions. If your content is compelling enough you will make sales from organic results.
     
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  8. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    #28
    Could be the stupidest thing you read....however your little experience with your website, is not a valid indicator of being correct in your thoughts.

    If you knew SEO so well.... you would also know many people pass over the # 1 spot thinking its a paid ad..

    But hey can't tell you anything since your so bright......

    :cool:
     
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  9. dcristo

    dcristo Illustrious Member

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    #29
    Lets turn this into a healthy debate instead of cutting down eachother.

    I completely disagree with you Sem-Advance. SEO does better your bottom line. I think I should know. As I said I have never touched PPC.

    To be honest I have never looked into which search results generate the most sales.

    I think consumers are getting more knowledgeable about adwords and can differentiate between paid and free ads. Getting listed at the top of the organic results would bring with it a certain credibility. If google deems you as important, what do you think the consumer thinks? Making a sale has a lot to do with trust, so you see where I'm going with this.
     
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  10. seregap

    seregap Active Member

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    #30
    oh cmon mate, first you say i'm making less sales because people that want to buy stuff buy more from paid ads, now you say its because they think my site IS actually a paid ad. also, if you actually READ my original post you'll see that i'm NOT losing traffic, i'm losing conversions. the traffic has doubled.

    my 'little experience' is a valid indicator that im being correct in my thoughts about THIS PARTICULAR niche. people looking for this particular product want to see more than just one review that's why the best conversion ratio is on the 2-3 spots, after couple more websites confirmed that the product is good. doesn't this make sense to you? it's nothing to do with paid ads here.

    please read my posts properly before assuming smth ok?
    i appreciate that you genuinely tried to give some advice, but reading the post instead of skimming also helps

    my idea behind all this is that the guy at the top presells my visitors for me. they read his review, come to my site, see this same product promoted as the best one as well - i wrap up the sale.

    and since i'm back at #2, next couple of days will prove me either right or wrong.
     
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  11. JoseArmando

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    #31
    This theory actually makes a lot of sense.
     
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  12. Sem-Advance

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    #32
    OK well if you never did PPC... then how would you know which is better?

    Also there is a huge difference in SEO & PPC in lead generation campaigns for example.

    Another category of sites that can fare better with PPC than SEO at times is true e-commerce sites.

    As for my friend and his put downs... he seems to think he is the only person with a website on DP. Put downs mean little to me as I just consider the source and move on.

    I deal with 100s of sites and as such my posts are meant for everyone to read and consider for their business, as opposed to one persons sole experience in one small niche.

    Peace and sign me unsubscribed.....;)
     
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  13. dcristo

    dcristo Illustrious Member

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    #33
    To quote what you said... "Typically organic results are a waste of time."

    I disagreed with that statement. SEO does produce good results and best of all the traffic is free.

    Keep in mind not all sites are e-commerce. So spending money on PPC to send traffic does not make sense.
     
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  14. seregap

    seregap Active Member

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    #34
    who cares about your hundreds of sites when your posts are absolutely irrelevant to this particular thread. more than that you throw in 2 absolutely opposite versions right after each other.
     
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  15. TheRazor5

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    #35
    Man maybe you changed something on the site (layout, image, copy) or something that is killing it.
     
    TheRazor5, Oct 19, 2008 IP