Yeah those are both good ones. Video lan was a rather crap example but I wanted one where I nailed all 3 engines. Here are some more competitive ones I have hit in G in just the last few weeks. These are just a few and I think are all #1: movabletype seo, free backlinks, organic seo articles, free organic seo, predicting pagerank Most of these are in the 1 million + searches arena. Also keep in mind I am testing this with and without submitting to the article sites. I rarely hit #1 without it building the chatter and backlinks with submissions. I got another trick that boosts this even further but I will save it for an article after the SES in China this weekend. AmyNelson: Aside from saying my site is 'ugly' maybe you could give me a pointer or two on what you didn't like?