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1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by digitalpoint, Mar 16, 2013.

  1. grpaul

    grpaul Well-Known Member

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    #21
    Um..... 1.6 BILLION rounds doesn't "sound like alot of ammunition" it IS a lot of ammunition.

    Watched a pretty good discussion on this yesterday: http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000156240
    SEMrush

    The lefty seems like he's on drugs, but his responses are pretty comical nevertheless.
     
    grpaul, Mar 23, 2013 IP
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    Corwin Well-Known Member

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    #22
    He has his talking points - remember, for the left it's all about emotional manipulation. See how he slows his speech patterns and repeats the phrase "conspiracy theories" over and over?
     
    Corwin, Mar 23, 2013 IP
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    r3dt@rget Well-Known Member

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    #23
    The 1.6 billion rounds was secured for purchase over something like 10 years. If you look at the DHS ammo consumption over the last few years, it comes out to about 120 million per year. So 1.6 billion is not anything unusual. This story has been ramped up by conspiracy nuts who believe Obama is creating a national police force or that the government is preparing to send millions of americans into prison camps.

    If you watched fox news last night, you would have seen that explanation from Bret Baier. And in the panel discussion Charles Krauthammer also gave us his opinion in which he agreed that the numbers add up and nothing is unusual here.
     
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    grpaul Well-Known Member

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    #24
    Interesting...

    Are you delusional? They are buying 1.6 rounds of live ammo...

    Please show me an article on how much this is costing the government. I'd love to read it.
     
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    grpaul, Mar 23, 2013 IP
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    #25
    Maybe Obama's been reading through this forum and fears Gworld leading an invasion of the United States.
     
    Blogmaster, Mar 24, 2013 IP
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    Corwin Well-Known Member

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    Wouldn't gworld would have to leave his parent's basement to do that?
     
    Corwin, Mar 25, 2013 IP
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    grpaul Well-Known Member

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    He'd do it via the interwebz! :D
     
    grpaul, Mar 25, 2013 IP
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #28
    I feel like cupid with so many gay Republicans finding each other through my posts. ;):)
     
    gworld, Mar 25, 2013 IP
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    r3dt@rget Well-Known Member

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    #29
    I don't know the price that the government secures in its contracts. But unless fox news has suddenly been bought out by the Obama administration like every other news outlet, I am going to believe the ammo numbers this video mentions:
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2245894685001/whats-really-behind-ammo-shortages-across-country/

    Do you believe the government is raising a national police force to confiscate guns and kill citizens who are considered "extreme"? Or do you believe the government is buying this ammo to create a shortage? If you consider the contract over a decade, this amount of ammo isn't anymore than we have purchased in the past, as outlined in the video.
     
    r3dt@rget, Mar 25, 2013 IP
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    grpaul Well-Known Member

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    #30
    Guess this shouldn't be concerning at all.

    [​IMG]

    They're just doing it, because they can. Right....
     
    grpaul, Mar 25, 2013 IP
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    r3dt@rget Well-Known Member

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    Which part concerns you? If you think about all the training that goes on in all the federal law enforcement facilities around the country, that doesn't seem unreasonable. Plus, current officers and agents constantly train to keep sharp. I guess I am confused. Are you worried about the cost, amount of ammo purchased, or what?
     
    r3dt@rget, Mar 25, 2013 IP
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    #32
    Hollow points rounds are the general standard issue round for Law Enforcement.

    Soldiers in Afghanistan generally carry 210-600 rounds of ammunition depending on the projected level of contact intensity. There is no ****ing way that the USA ever averaged 250,000 rounds per kill in Afghanistan, even if you include training at firing ranges in Afghanistan. To even cite that as a statistic is just ridiculous and shows your ignorance of reality and firearms. (If you want to include training rounds for the whole military, you can probably get close to that figure, but it would still be lower and is extremely deceptive. We do stockpile ammo.)

    The majority of Ammo in combat situations is spent providing cover for other soldiers. After you run through a couple magazines insurgents are generally shot at in burst, which saves a shitload of ammo, that you don't want to waste. Why don't you want to waste it, because you only have as many rounds as you carried in. The shit doesn't grow on trees, which is why that figure is so gaddamn dumb.
     
    brandama, Mar 26, 2013 IP
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    #33

    According to that image / video they've been purchasing 100 million rounds yearly, but now purchase 1.6 billion.

    Are we all supposed to believe that they are just stocking up. . .?
     
    grpaul, Mar 29, 2013 IP
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    r3dt@rget Well-Known Member

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    #34
    From what I have read, including a segment on Fox News, this 1.6 billion purchase is for 10 years. Basically securing prices for ammo purchased for use over 10 years. That is why they show the 100 million annual rounds. If you split the 1.6 billion over 10 years, the numbers are at levels consistent with past numbers. I too would be concerned if this 1.6 billion was for only one year of ammo. Either they are trying to create a shortage as a gun control tactic, or they are preparing for something. But I have yet to see anything that says this purchase is strictly for use in one year.
     
    r3dt@rget, Apr 3, 2013 IP
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    Corwin Well-Known Member

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    #35
    Doesn't that assume that they plan on using the same type of ammo for ten years? And that there will be no advancements in arms or ammunition technology during that time?
     
    Corwin, Apr 3, 2013 IP
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    r3dt@rget Well-Known Member

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    #36
    New guns being designed for police use are developed using ammo calibers already in use. They have been in use for decades without change. There is no reason to assume the .45, .40, and 9mm will become obsolete. Sure, some new invention could come out that replaces current guns or bullets, but its development, testing, purchasing, and deployment would take at least 10 years. It is pretty safe to bet that in 10 years, DHS agents will still be using the same caliber bullets they are now. This type of purchase is nothing new. Bigger orders get bigger discounts.
     
    r3dt@rget, Apr 3, 2013 IP
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    Bernard Well-Known Member

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    #37
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...rrender-their-war-weapons-to-dept-of-defense/

    http://www.infowars.com/dhs-to-buy-360000-more-rounds-of-hollow-point-ammunition/

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...-experiencing-an-ammunition-shortage-n1558916

    Answer to Shawn/OP: Yes, I find it bothersome. Ammo production is largely inelastic - manufacturers don't/can't ramp up production to meet demand. Supply shortages and rising costs are effectively erecting an economic barrier for gun ownership (for practice / proficiency).
     
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    Bernard Well-Known Member

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    #38
    More: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-more-rounds-per-person-than/?test=latestnews

    No kidding.
     
    Bernard, Apr 26, 2013 IP