★★★★★Religion, god and . . . ...

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by roshanindia, Oct 10, 2011.

  1. babak44

    babak44 Active Member

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    #21
    yeah guess God was the first inventor of punishment and reward or carrot and stick policy.
    have seen many religious people who said: let see the end, after dead we don't lose anything for praising the God.
     
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  2. roshanindia

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    #22
    An example of an Atheist : - A frog in a small well thinks that the well itself is the whole world and he is thinks himself to be the king of the world . Once accidentally he comes out of the well just to realize that actual world is beyond his imagination.

    how can a man believe everything happens automatically without anyone's control. The science & nature is perfectly controlled and nothing happens automatically.
    • If there is any variation of worlds temperature, everything would be destroyed
    • I there is any variation in revolution of earth, everything will be destroyed
    • If any planet misses its orbit, then there will be a huge destruction
    • If there is any variation in heart beat, the person dies
    • If the ecological balance is disturbed, then world would be destroyed

    These are just a creation and they are bound by the order given by its creator. The sun cannot say that i wont rise today. Nothing happens automatically. Even a small needle needs to be well planned before it is manufactured.

    I laugh at people when they talk about technology and science with actually being aware of it . I am sorry to say that the term ' science and technology ' is misunderstood by most of the people today. Most people start long discussions for this term when they actually are not aware of this field. They speak only the false rumors.

    Nature,Science and technology is just a knowledge to be discovered and using which we bring up solutions which can improve the lifestyles of human beings.

    When a boat cannot by itself , without any control, cannot take you to other part of the sea, then imagine how this world can run without someone actually controlling it ?

    Where there is creation, There is a creator


    check out below link

    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Characteristics_of_Non-Muslims
     
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  3. Grimm

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    #23
    FAIL. You evidently don't know what the hell you are talking about.

    Then who created the creator? :rolleyes:

    This is some funny shit man! Classic. roshanindia stands high and proud as he bullies around the people who don't believe in Pedo Mo.
     
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  4. Angelic

    Angelic Active Member

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    #24
    God is not a created being. He is eternal, He has no beginning and no end. You can only have a creation where you have a dimension in time; outside of time there can be no creation. God created time and so is not bound by time.

    Can you find the distance from east to west or the beginning/end of a circle?
     
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  5. The Webby

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    #25
    So.. Tell me Roshan, there are many religions.. Which religion is the true religion that belongs to God?
     
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  6. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #26
    Speaking from experience?
     
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  7. Angelic

    Angelic Active Member

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    #27
    He was religious, but was so afraid to accept that nothing might happen after death, so he decided to become an atheist.
     
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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #28
    I guess my point was, how can anyone know there is nothing anymore than anyone can know whether there is something.
     
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    #29
    What a load of BS.

    Got anything to back that up? You sound very sure that your God is not a created being or that he really does exist.

    Do you believe in Santa Claus? Well it's nearly Christmas time and I thought that we should change the trend a bit.

    Sort of. Every once in a while, I get to have conversations with some of my religious friends and these kinds of topics get argued about so often.

    lol. Do you even read what you post?
     
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    babak44 Active Member

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    #30
    roshan in our language means light and shiny.

    you are talking about science, so nice but guess something you neglected.
    when science encounter with something unclear, in the first says, we don't know and then try to understand and solve problem but for believers every thing is clear and need not to think, ponder or solve anything.

    you assume to know the answer!! then try to justify it in any way!

    science goes forward because accepted that doesn't know everything. I guess this is not a weak point at all.
     
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    #31
    is it an answering machine!?

    pardon me Angelic!
     
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  12. Angelic

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    #32
    Science knows nothing, not even 1% of the truth. Scientists still can't cure the common cold let alone explain the origin of life :rolleyes:
     
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    #33
    Careful with the words. Claims like these makes you look like a hypocrite. :rolleyes:
     
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    #34
    ??? What's that suppose to mean ? Angelic is right about science being unable to find a cure for the common cold . All the cold drugs fight the symptoms not the underlying cause .
     
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    #35
    Yes sir, next time when you get sick, do not go to a doctor..
     
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    #36
    If you realize extent of the world, will find that 1 percent is a lot. anyway science talk to us sincerely and if couldn't explain and know something, try to find answer and cure and most important thing is that doesn't tell you some legend. right now we know many things that our ancestors never imagine.
     
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    #37
    Then why are the VAST majority of people in prison "bound to religion"?

    Most atheists (people who have no belief in any god) have no reason to commit crimes, whether for themselves or against others. It doesn't matter to an atheist whether you worship the wrong god, or the right god in the wrong way - it's all the same childishness.

    He's accountable to himself. And one is usually more honest with himself than a religious person is with any god.

    Because they were raised to by their parents. That's why children of Muslims are Muslim, children of Christians are Christian, etc. (for the most part). If there were one actual god, everyone would believe in the same one. Notice how many people believe in dry water or flooded desserts.

    That's making an a priori assumption that there is a why. There's no evidence that there is (except for the obvious one - two people had sex).

    "Failed" means "tried and didn't succeed". Science explains observations, it doesn't "prove" assertions made by people who don't know what they're talking about.

    People have died and then come back to life, so those people know what happens after death - and it's not what any religion claims. (I'm not talking about NDEs - we know what that is, and it's not some sort of life after death.)

    No, they've just failed to address it. And they shouldn't address it, any more than science should tackle the whichness of the what. When someone produces evidence of life after death, science should then examine the evidence. (Science doesn't examine assertions.)

    They can - as soon as science figures out exactly what genes do what to produce which.

    Again, an a priori assumption of something for which there's no evidence.

    Observed.
    Assumed.

    There's a difference. The fact that both good and "evil" (and there are many differences of opinion as to what that word means) exist doesn't mean that the existence of good is a cause of evil, or that evil must exist if there's good.

    And for many of us, the latter question remains a non-question, as does any question or assertion regarding any god.

    One doesn't "decide to become" an atheist. If one has no belief in any god, one is an atheist. Everyone is born atheistic (no child is born with a belief in any god - or the ability to believe in one - or even understand what the word means) - one "decides to" become religious. Atheism is the natural state.
     
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  18. Angelic

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    #38
    Not really, scientists can cheat and lie about results, and some do so.

    FDA Scientists Asked to Lie about Results to Promote Agendas. (Source: http://blog.buzzflash.com/alerts/87)

    Highlights from the study:

    • 18% were asked to inappropriately exclude or alter technical information or conclusions for non-scientific reasons
    • 61% knew of cases when political appointees inappropriately injected themselves into FDA determinations
    • 60% knew of cases where commercial interests intervened or attempted to inappropriately intervene
    • 20% were asked to provide misleading information to the public, media, or government officials
    • 40% can't publicly express concerns without fear of retaliation

    they don't? then what do you call the theory of evolution?

    we know nothing; more than 65% of all known diseases cannot yet be cured.
     
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    #39
    for knowing science please read this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science


    you said theory and right this is a theory still although a lot of evidences and measurements support it. do you have any idea better than that?


    please don't say we!
    don't know from where you found that percent but assume I'm agree with you. then 35% of all known diseases are curable and that's great for science.
    do you know somebody or something for cure the rest?
     
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    #40
    Yep there is a cure for any disease , it's called genetic adaptation and it's built in our system , it's not the most reliable mechanism but it is there and it has been proven .
     
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