“Death to the enemies of Islam!” the counterdemonstrators cried, encircling the women

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  1. seoz

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    #61

    “Atefeh was not a well-behaved girl, that’s for sure. But do you hang a girl for having sex with an unmarried man?” asked Fariba, a girl in Atefeh’s neighborhood, who like many others did not want to be identified.

    According to judicial records, by the time Atefeh was 16, she had been convicted five times of having sex with unmarried men. Each time she spent some time in jail and was given 100 lashes (Under Iran’s law, punishment for having sex with a married man would have been far heavier.)



    SHE DIDN'T HANGED FOR NO REASON..SHE COMMITS A CRIME..IT WAS PROVED..ONLY THEN GOT PUNISHMENT...

    If you have a law that if someone commits murder ..he will be hanged,,you have to follow it..if proved.

    Whats so injustice in this :confused:
     
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    #62
    You seem to be very understanding for men wanting sex, and even infidelity...
    HOWEVER, if an unmarried women such as Atefeh, wants to have sex she deserves a minimum of 100 lashes or even death by hanging?
     
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    #63
    In that part of the world, people's mind are still held hostage to the old ideology of the medieval ages. It is wrong. But this kind of behavior is spread out in the entire region, irrespective of religion.

    Liberalism and equal rights to women is still in its infancy in the West. Even until 1920, women did not have a right to vote in the US, and even until the 60s, there was discrimination based on sex and race. Today, the situation has changed for the better, and women have equal rights, just like it should be. I hope it remains that way, and women continue to be free...

    But the Middle East and the Subcontinent did not open up to these new ideas. Thats unfortunate... These are male-dominated patriarchal societies, very conservative people. Nothing to do with religion IMO...
     
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    #64
    Or perhaps religion is a major factor in some of the places resisting what you call "new ideas".

    These societies are male dominated and conservative because of the religion they practice. Not only that but most of the societies specifically justify their horrid behavior with religion. In the example in this thread it is specifically religion and Islam that is guiding their behavior. Whether they are truly following Islam is another issue, but it is clear they believe they are following their religion, in spite of your opinion to the contrary.
     
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    #65
    yes, and it is SAME for a unmarried man who commits such act.

    death by stoning is for married men/women who indulge in such activities
     
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    #66
    Are you kidding me?!
    why?! because of sex!?
     
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    #67
    Sorry guys, but Islam, Christianity, Judaism and so on, all the "accepted" religions are not true. NO OFFENCE please, this is just my opinion.
    Musulmans say "Death to the enemies of Islam!".
    Christians say "Everyone who does not obbey me shalt be killed".

    This is pure enslavement, and do you know where this leaded no? Yeah. To the inquisition. The only cult that doesn't force the human to obbey under a strong & selfish divinity is spiritual satanism.
     
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    #68
    That should be none of your business,
    does anyone has right to say that why sikhs put turbans and don't cut there hair ?

    does anyone has right to object why hindus think that urine of cow as sacred ?

    does anyone has right to object that why some people still worship idols ? isn't that insane?

    Something might be ridiculous for you but for other it is their belief.
    An it isn't ridiculous after all , if it was why would Islam be still one of the fastest growing religions?
     
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    #69
    I can't even understand why does the Orthodox Jews (I'm reform) consider Fish as Meat, so you want me to understand that killing because of simple thing like sex is fine?

    If you say it's not of my business, I can say the exact same thing about the Gaza issue.

    We live in a small world, you need to understand it.
     
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    #70
    Because every religion is brainwashing.
     
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    #71
    you have not looked hard in the orthodox community to find the answers to your question. there is many similarities. try asking your questions from these guys.
    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215331191398&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
     
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    #72
    I DIDNT say that men should let go without punishment if they did something like that ...Nor did any religion says so,..

    It doesn't matter who or which gender do the crime...the punishment should be equal

    If an unmarried man do the same thing..he should be given 100 lashes too...

    and @ uploas's

    This punishment is meant to stop a society from being like west..where you can find a girl for sex even in exchange of a cigarette ..

    In western countries...they think women as there pleasure toy...and ITS A BIG FACT(i don't want to start a new debate on which society or culture is better for women ..may be in next thread :) )...for the biggest prove..you can see the ration of family system in those countries...the ever rising demand of old houses is the result of the society where you guys think freedom of sex, freedom of doing anything you want..is a real freedom..cause then you start think for yourself only..which results in selfishness..that led to disaster of any culture, country, nation or an individual..
     
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    #73
    Well said, Uploas.:)

    Shariah Law is barbaric, as it denies what I consider to be the basic rights of women. The fact that men are sometimes brutalized as well, doesn't make it any better.

    Not true, Seoz. Even a prostitute won't do it for a cigarette, and now with inflation...:eek:

    Read again: Harassment and Abuse in Iran: Women Viewed as Sex Objects in Shari’a and Customary Law

    p.s. Men in Islamic countries seem to think of sex all the time. As proof here is the Google Trends Search On Sex. The US isn't even in the top 10, but many Muslim countries are!:eek::)
     
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    #74

    well that cigarette thingy is true...:) I have been told by several of my friends living in australia, usa, etc ..so its a valid point..

    and i can too make an article. bout women viewed as sex object in usa..or any other country..even put up with some stats...

    And again n again...the law which you read or the law which those people are showing IS NOT SHARIA...

    Please try to understand that an individual act cant be justified as the only definition of something... :)
     
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    #75
    Maybe you are the one who does not have a clue what Sharia is. Why is your opinion any more correct than the Taliban or any other Muslim's views?
     
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    #76
    Cause ISLAM or SHARIA tell muslims to get knowledge..and to explore the information which is in Quran ...

    Of course you should believe without any doubt what your religion or holy book says.. (not your priest or any maulana) But do try to think Why God permit you to do this thing and why prohibit you t do some act :)

    Fortunately I am a literate person thats why I try to debate on things..which is the must factor to gain knowledge...And due to this I think I try to judge anything not only with religion but also with humanity...As Islam is not only about worshiping God..It teaches you a complete way of life..it teaches you what is bad and what is good,,

    But unfortunately due to lack of knowledge in asian countries like Pakistan people are totally dependent on what there religious leader says..They believe every word of them without investing why this is in there Holy Book or why God ask them to do this..once you start exploring this..you will be happy that God cares a lot bout you :)

    Cases such as marrying with child or forcing your wife to do sex is just the result of illiteracy ....:)

    Neither its Islam nor its Sharia
     
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    #77

    I don't understand why the religious leaders would mislead their people?

    Anyway, let me ask you a simple question since you seem to know what Sharia is.

    In an Islamic country under Sharia law what does Allah say is the punishment for someone who decides to publicly leave the Islamic faith for another religion? ​
     
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    #78
    lol you must be kidding. have you ever known one that doesn't. it is the nature of the beast
     
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    #79
    DEATH..clean and clear.

    now If you argue that this is inhuman..than there are many things which led to this decision..we may start another debate on the reason of this punishment.,.but it will led us to no where...

    But remember that Islam DON'T force someone to accept the religion..IF you are from any other religion you can continue with your religion without any fear..

    And They mislead to rule the people..to get the power and fortune.,,To enslave the people ..
     
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    #80
    Good news regarding the original post of this thread, Karzai may amend the law.
     
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