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Is Obama A Natural Born Citizen?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by simplyg123, Oct 22, 2008.

  1. simplyg123

    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    #701
    In all fairness, Ive recently listened to the rest of the audio that was posted earlier of Sarah Obama stating she was with B. Obama when he was born. (only a portion of the audio was posted, i found another source with the complete audio) And as the interview with Sarah Obama continues, she corrects herself and says Obama was born in Hawaii. Whether she was confused when asked initially, or she realized she was letting the truth out, no one knows. Well someone knows.
     
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    LogicFlux Peon

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    #702
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    #703
    Really? I've never had to produce my BC for the government. When are we required to do this? Do we get a notice in the mail or something? Do federal agents just show up at your door?

    When was Obama required to produce his BC? The BS Berg case was dismissed, so he didn't have to produce it then. Was there some other time you think he has been required to produce it to the government?
     
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  4. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #704
    You've got to produce on to get a drivers license and a passport, or a workers permit.
     
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    Codythebest Notable Member

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    #705
    Like Bush is better...:D

    Bush has demonstrated dishonesty for 8 years and American have voted for the dude twice...
    Bush has demonstrated inexperience for 8 years.
    And he's been into the highest level of government...See what happened??
     
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  6. simplyg123

    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    #706
    Do you not have a drivers license? :rolleyes: Dont know what country you live in, but America requires everything short of a DNA swap to get a drivers license.

    There was a court order filed asking Obama to produce his BC. He did not do so, by not responding within 15 days, (by law) he actually admitted to the claim.

    Of course with the judge dismissing it, it nullifies everything, and will depend on the supreme court.


    So are you implying Obama is more of the same? Sounds like it. By saiying "Like Bush is better" your accepting Obamas dishonest traits, but pointing out that bush was no better
     
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    damian.hoffman Peon

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    #707
    Well, Obama (now) owns a Ford Escape Hybrid, which he drives, so one could reasonably assume he has a drivers license. Unless you would like to claim he is also driving illegally without a license, then he has, by your own admission, produced his BC to the government.

    Yep, including your first statement. Since it was dismissed, he was not ordered to produce his BC to the court, and his subsequent failure to do so was not an admission of the crap Berg included in his case.
     
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    Codythebest Notable Member

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    #708
    I don't know Obama. Time will tell.
    For Bush, time has told...
     
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    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    #709
    Great point, i never really thought of that, but still the whole thing with producing it to a court is so that it could be inspected by professionals, not DMV workers. Faked BC's are used all the time to obtain illegal passports or ID's. A specialist needs to see the BC.

    Ill be honest with all of you, im starting to think he may be a Natural Born Citizen, I'm not totally convinced because for the fact he wouldn't just shut Berg up, and show the BC. Not only would this not be an issue at all, he would make Berg look really silly.


    Yes, and i did state that it was all nullified, doesn't mean its the right call. There is no reason whatsoever, why Obama couldn't or shouldn't just show the freaking document.

    Think about it. If you were in the situation, wouldn't you pull out the doc and shove it in his face. And say STFU Berg! I would.
     
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    #710
    Hehe...Maybe he's even an illegal immigrant now...
     
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    #711
    Thanks, I try. ;)
    Remember, Obama's done a lot of international traveling, so he probably has a passport as well. Passport applications would also include a review of one's BC (per Mia), so it has been checked by at least two government agencies.

    Glad to hear it simply! :)

    To be honest? No, I would not take time off a successful presidential campaign just to mollify some asshole lawyer. Especially after posting a copy of my BC online for anyone to look at. I truly feel he did the right thing in ignoring the Berg case and concentrating on his campaign.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #712
    I know that whenever someone brings a moronic biased tinfoil hatted accusation to me I run to the forefront to prove them wrong as you know as soon as they are proven wrong they just let it die.

    Hmm yet on this very forum I have proven people wrong before, yet they don't let it die.

    I have seen people in this very thread say that the BC alone would not do anything because there is still 'that there loop hole' in Hawaiian law.

    Yep I'm sure that would have shut Berg up. Plus people should just run forward when a loon like Berg demands it.

    Funny thing about that audio tape as well, if you look into the caller he is a loon of the highest degree that nobody would take seriously. Of course in this situation though, good as gold.

    When do I get one of them special tinfoil hats for posting in this thread?
     
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    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    #713
    Just curious where your getting this "loon" qualification from.
    Berg is an established lawyer, with a reasonable suspicion.

    And your calling the guy on the recording a loon? Why? Because he offers to pray for the lady and her grandson? Is everyone who is active in religion a loon?

    Please explain to me why you call these two people loons.

    By the way I thought you got your hat months ago.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #714
    Reasonable suspicion according to you and a few others. He was a Hillary supporter who is dead set on taking down the person who beat Hillary. A guy you'd normally not give any credit to at all 'but' since the guy who beat Hillary also beat McCain of course things change.

    Loon, lets see I've read more than a few items of him being a 'troofer' so I guess now you align yourself with 'troofers' when convenient?
    Ahh I guess you decided to buy the recording hook line and sinker w/o even looking into the person who took the recording. Should have expected nothing less.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=Ron+...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
    Please explain why they are not, 'ohyeah because they are against the guy you are'
    Sorry I unlike you am not afraid of 'facts' ;)

    BTW if you honestly believe this guy just happened to call up his grandma to 'pray' you are stupider than I thought.

    A few articles on Mcrae 'the guy who just wanted to pray' sure he did.

    http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_372870.html

     
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    #715
    The computer generated abridged version is sufficient to present to DMV to get a drivers license.

    Obama doesn't want to produce the vault version that contains all the details. Why? Some people suspect that the vault version may list the place of birth as Kenya.
     
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    #716
    Berg is a loon. The complaint he wrote is a pile of garbage - gross vagaries, loony "damages," completely irrelevant case law - eliciting the charge and summary dismissal of "frivolous" by the trial court, as shown above in this thread:

    I am astounded it was crafted by a practicing attorney, much less a former Deputy Attorney General of PA.

    It's funny to me that the very people who trashed 9-11 truthers are now among the most vociferous in defending this guy - Berg is a 9-11 truther. His right, of course, but the hypocrisy among those trashing truthers as irrational loons, and now calling Berg a beacon of rationality, is astounding.
     
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    #717
    I'd like to see the Supreme Court review the vault version of Obama's birth cerificate and make a determination on his citizenship before the electoral college meets December 13th.

    Is that so bad?
     
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    #718
    No worse than any other whackjob's desire that the Court adhere to the whackjob's "prayer for review," irrespective of the Court's purpose. There is a reason the Court establishes it rules, and I've asked you several times under which provision of the following you believe the asshole's Petition would fall:

    You've never answered. I'll try another tack. When the Court says, "Fuck No," in rejecting the loon's Petition for Writ of Certiorari, will you, and the others, let this issue die, or will it take up the next 2 years, as the attempt to literally characterize the President-Elect as an Islamic terrorist plant has taken up the last two years?
     
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    #719
    The answer needed is for Obama to release the original 'vault version' of his birth certificate.
     
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    #720
    I was searching Google news for info on his birth certificate, but found this instead,
    It is just kind of strange, because this isn't the only one. I read a few what I would consider mainstream websites (that are listed in Google news) who seemed, even frightened about Obama. On the Canada Free Press, at the end of the article, they even suggested there could be a civil war. St. Louis Post Dispatch basically called him a communist amongst other things. :eek:

    I just found this on the drudge report. It is an article from the Associated Press. They are explaining a congressmans concerns because Obama wants to create a civilian national security force as strong as our military, and believes Obama will move to ban gun ownership. AP article

    The government doesn't seemed concerned enough to require the original 'vault version' of his birth certificate. I don't think we will ever see it.
     
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