Is The Race Over?

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Looks like it to me.

Barack doesn't even need the swing states to win. John McCain needs ALL of them.

 

Who cares about pictures/graphs, what the TV/RADIO and all that shit says.
Just wait.

 

For the sake of the whole world let's hope so. If McCain manages to get in it will be a worldwide threat to humanity.

 

The funny part is they are getting their ass beat by a community organizer.

Funny how they were making fun of that before. Oh the irony.

 

I wouldn't break out the calculator and start adding up how much welfare backpay might be coming in January

 

I wish its true.. really want Obama to win

 

LOL, funny!

I quoted this so I can come back and point and laugh on Wednesday morning

Drudge.... HAHAHAHAHA

 

I'm returning the favor

Drudge? Don't you mean Zogby?

bamajama is going down. In the past week, McCain has been steadily moving up. Obama has been holding and/or slipping. Only one candidate is moving up. Polls all over the place, not reflective of reality.

More associates with radicals that front terrorist groups, conveniently hidden from public view by the liberal LAT who also endorsed Obama.

We discovered democrats illegally used state computers to attempt to dig up dirt on Joe the Plumber. Couple that with tanking three more media outlets that didn't agree with Obama (not just a columnist, but the entire organizations).

More "spread the wealth" socialism/marxism discovered. More ties to ACORN discovered along with more illegal actions by them on behalf of Obama.

We learned (not through the MSM media, mind you) that Ob's campaign is illegally accepting untraceable donations and has setup their process to facilitate illegal campaign contributions.

We learned that when Ob says "I am my brother's keeper," it doesn't apply to his family, as yet another immediate relative of Ob's was found living in a slum. "Do as I say, not as I do."

We learned that Ob's 250,000 cap on what is wealthy has been dropped to 200,000, then 150,000 and today...a new low of 120,000. Not only that, but we learned Ob is putting together a team to deal with damage control after the election, when all these promises he's making will be rescinded. Nothing but lies, and people are standing in line to gulp them up, even when they know better.

Could this man be anymore corrupt than he is now? That answer is Yes. The media didn't vet Obama and despite all his corruption, illegal campaign raising, dishonesty, money spent like a drunk sailor, endorsements, intimidation and long winded speeches, he's not going to win.

The icing on top appears to be that John "King of Treason" Murtha is going down as well.

 

http://www.zogby.com/main.htm

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE49J0LF20081031


RCP electoral: 10 more in Obama's camp from yesterday, +179, 311-132.

 

Only GTech can turn a thread about the race itself into even more venom and attacks on Obama.

Do you guys have ANYTHING else to talk about? Perhaps why YOUR OWN candidate is so great?

You need to go try pushing that socialist marxist Obama is the anti-christ nonsense on the uninformed. You should know better by now to bring it to P&R. We actually pay attention here!

Oh that's right... YOU DON'T. You don't even like your candidate and don't trust what he stands for because he's a "Maverick"..

And THAT is why you're losing and will lose. If John McCain actually talked more about what HE was going to do than riding Obama's coattails he might be at least tied right now.

Poor lil fella.

 

LMAO! I have NPT on ignore. I have no interest in drama/victimization games right now.

I've covered that plenty of times. What's wrong, don't like to hear how corrupt your candidate is, how many "radical" associations he has, how dishonest he is, how much online fraud he's committing? Or are these reason TOO vote for a democrat?

McCain has more than laid out his plan. The difference between the two is, one is lying (Obama) and trying desperately to backpedal now.

"Independents" (uh, that would be those who are moving towards McCain while Obama is standing in stale water) are smarter than that.

Obama is history. He can lie his way to convince democrats...that's easy, but others are starting to see that his actions and his words, his radical associations and uncomfortably alarming levels of dishonesty, his socialist and marxist entitlement programs are just not what America needs moving forward.

Gotta watch those edits

No idea where that's coming from. I like John McCain and I certainly trust him. He's given his life to serving his country. Most guys that I know who served, can respect that. Others don't look so favorably on the time they served and perhaps consider it a mistake. The only time they respect their own service is when they make statements that most would view as "controversial," and use their service as a crutch to remind others that what they said is ok, because "they served." Hmm, that doesn't work in my book!

What's Obama done? Nothing.

 

lol, when you said "No idea where that's coming from. I like John McCain and I certainly trust him." I sat up in my chair. I thought ok, here we go, he's gonna set me straight now! He's gonna tell me what McCain plans to do that is any different from the past 8 years. He's gonna lay out the McCain plan and let me know why McCain is so great!

Then I got a reference to his military service and nothing else....

Look I know plenty people whom have served their country honorably. But what has that got to do with his economic plan?? How does that explain how he's going to do anything but continue doing EXACTLY what George Bush is doing in Iraq and ignoring the real target. Osama in Afghanistan.

I'll leave you with this..... When Obama is President, all of you who don't have any other argument than to attack him and his character are going to look really really stupid when after his first term it's all proven to have no bearing on how he has lead the country.

I'll come back here after the first 2 years and quote all the nonsense and name calling that your entire argument has degraded to. The birth certificate nonsense. His palling around with terrorists... ROFL, it's like you truly believe he is holding secret meetings with his terrorist buddies about how he can better help Al Queda take over the country. I mean all jokes aside.... what are you truly suggesting when you bring that up?

Oh that's right, it's all about his character right? But what happens when after his first term he doesn't appoint Bill Ayers of Secretary of Defense? I'll tell you.... you're going to look silly. Because if you don't believe he is palling around with terrorists and your "distrust" though we all know it is rooted in partisan bias, turns out to be unfounded.... well... then what?

What happens when the news starts reporting that Joe the plumber got a tax break under Obama?

You can save all that embarrassment by cutting all the bullshit and saying why it is that you are voting for McCain. I ONCE AGAIN directly challenged you to make the case why we should elect another Republican to the White House by talking about his plans for the country without resorting to the "I hate Obama" crutch, you couldn't do it.... again.

Here let me show you how to directly respond to a point made by your opposition.....

Ahh, misdirection and distraction huh? Here's the problem with your argument..... Nearly ALL of the threads here have been a referendum on Obama. They ALL turn into Obama bash fest threads because YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT MCCAIN. <-- Yes, I just said that. Care to dispute it?

Of course I'm not ignoring the laughable corruption, socialist, non-citizen, radical, terrorist, Muslim, kitchen sink arguments made against Obama. THERE ARE ENTIRE THREADS DEDICATED TO IT. Find me ONE thread that talks about just McCain where the entire argument didn't just turn into Obama bashing. You see it's incredibly comical and anyone can see right through the nonsensical argument that we don't want to talk about Obama. THAT'S ALL WE DO!

So now perhaps you can make an argument FOR McCain? Just a little one?

 

Nah, I'm smarter than that. I observe patterns George. I know this one well. Democrats are generally lazy and want others to do their work for them (hence, why Obama wants to take my hard earned money and redistribute it to those who have come to accept mediocrity as all they will amount to).

If you really wanted to know about McCain, and I suspect you already do, you'd visit his site like most people, who are willing to put forth an effort to learn, instead of waiting around to be spoon fed

Come on George, you're making that argument so easy for me! I know the tactic...distract by calling on your opponent to put forth a great expenditure in effort that you really don't care about in the first place? I've been around the block a few times, Cap'n

Are we pretending that suddenly you are asking questions as a method of distraction for the fact that Obama has absolutely no experience, is given a free pass by the media, is fraudulently accepting illegal campaign donations and wants to redistribute the wealth of others who have worked hard, to those who refuse to put forth an effort? Why don't you want to discuss that, George? (See, it works both ways!)

Won't happen. Obama is stale and stagnant. Only one candidate is moving up in the polls and as of today, by at least one reputable one, is now leading. Are his associations with radicals and marxist/socialist agendas of free give outs why you are voting for him? Why don't you want to talk about those things, George?

Unfortunately that opportunity won't exist. I'm curious though, it appears you know he has some pretty radical associations and says one thing when the mic is on, and another when he thinks no one is listening. Why would you try to diminish his associations and character judgments by introducing "al qaida?" Are you suggesting that befriending terrorists and friends of terrorists is ok, as long as it isn't al qaida?

Apparently democrats believe long associations with unrepentant terrorists is a qualification for leading our country. Why did Obama lie about the extend of that association? Why did he dismiss it as "just a guy in the neighborhood," only to discover that it went much deeper? Why did the LA Times choose to deliberately withhold information about a dinner party with Ayers and Khalidi? Even more so, why was Obama at a meeting with people like this in the first place? But questions like that don't seem worthy of a second look by liberals? Well that sure says a lot, doesn't it?

What happens when we start discovering that 250k is now 200k is now 150k is now 120k? Do liberals hold Obama accountable for misleading, or do they give him a pass? At what number does it start to affect you? Do you want to work, to pay more taxes (and you will) to support others who are too lazy to get out and work? Should I work my butt off so much, that I barely have time to come here anymore, so that those who sit around here day in and day out for 8-14 hours a day can mooch off my hard work?

I have already covered this. Now, it's your turn. Why exactly are you voting for Obama? Perhaps you think by asking questions of that nature, it puts you in the driver seat and places the workload on your opponent (not unlike a liberal!), but I don't play that. Instead, if you really want to have *that* discussion, you can start by making a contribution yourself.

Nah, I've already done it numerous times here. I'm smarter than to let you distract and take the discussion off course, once again, by ignoring your own candidate's lack of credibility and accomplishments by having me do all your work. If you want to know about McCain, I suggest visiting his site. I'm not convinced you really want to know though. Anything to distract for Obama's increasingly miserable outlook for our country.

 

1. McCain can't remember what he said from one minute to the next, let alone what he voted on.
2. Gore had Bush fairly well handled coming out of primaries. Note how well that turned out.

Vote Obama.

Nigel

 

I disagree. McCain can remember well. Obama can't remember what lie he told last which is why he keeps stumbling about what he proposes and having to "reclarify."

George, I'm going to take the high road. I sat down and came up with my top ten reasons why I'm voting for McCain:

I have no problem being taken to task on them. Will you do the same? Who else?

I'm always ready to stand behind my positions. They won't win me any popularity contests, but then I've never been about that.

 

Funny how you mention how we need to "move forward." Voting with Bush 90% of the time through almost 8 years, and 100% of the time in 2008 alone is not really "moving forward," is it?

 

Umm... I think there's supposed to be a vote or something first. Call me a traditionalist.

 

Um, 'kay ... His use of Drudge for "news" on "Zogby's polling," my simple posting of, uh, Zogby's polling? Anyway....

Hmm...You see, George, this is how it operates. Somebody like Gtech will impugn other vets this way; he believes that by trashing on the not-so-sly, he's getting away with some real "web victory." Sad.

Also sad, would be to comment on another vet's service, as if any vet's blood is less than his. Unless I've forgotten, Gtech was a recruiter, and I was a corpsman, for example. I know that despite a vast chasm between us politically, I've never questioned Gtech's service, nor his love for his country; though I think he's completely wrong on the issues. That he would attack another's service, or love for his or her country, while no longer surprising, is truly unfortunate.

Now, with a goodly number of people - from staunch conservatives to committed liberals alike - I don't think the John McCain of this campaign is the John McCain of even two years ago. He has so profoundly thrown his hat behind the extreme right wing/extreme religious right wing of his party that he has become unrecognizable, in my opinion.

In any case, the "say controversial," I suppose, is that lots of vets who served honorably nevertheless believe this administration has been a disaster, and the Iraq War was wrong. I know I'm a vet who believes the Iraq war was wrong, and I've said so from the beginning. Formerly, such a viewpoint was characterized by Gtech in this way:

Now, well, not so much.

That Gtech would like to malign other vets isn't surprising, given what I know of his sense of "web alliances" (a concept I find simply odd), as he called it, but it isn't any more truthful, either. Lots of vets served honorably, honor McCain's service, and flat out believe he's wrong on the issues. Lots of those vets defended McCain, in fact, from the extreme right wing who hated him - until it was the cool thing, GOP-wise, to turn tail. Kinda like:

See, what Gtech fails to realize is that principles do matter to some, and the principles certainly trump some odd notion of solidarity with web-based "friends." Many won't vote for either candidate, for precisely this reason - on the basis of principle. They are to be respected. Many will oppose Senator McCain, but not hate the man - long ago, will even defend the man's person, though opposing him for his policies. This, too, is a guiding principle.

 

Well Bush never voted in the Senate, so Obama's voting record is closer to Bush's than McCain.

Also if the attack is that he is partisan, if you throw out all the nonpartisan rename a building, declare national dog catchers day etc. Obama votes far more often with the dems than McCain does with republicans.


As McCain said of Obama "His voting record … is more to the left than the announced socialist in the United States Senate, Bernie Sanders of Vermont,"

 

Click on your own link and read this

Pollster John Zogby: "Is McCain making a move? The three-day average holds steady, but McCain outpolled Obama today, 48% to 47%. He is beginning to cut into Obama's lead among independents, is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters. Joe the Plumber may get his license after all. "Obama's lead among women declined, and it looks like it is occurring because McCain is solidifying the support of conservative women, which is something we saw last time McCain picked up in the polls. If McCain has a good day tomorrow, we will eliminate Obama's good day three days ago, and we could really see some tightening in this rolling average. But for now, hold on."

Of course since Zogby is in the tank for Obama, it is a bit down the page...