Why do you believe Socialism is bad?

I would like to her an intelligent response as to why socialism is bad?

We are just about a socialist nation now.. why not embrace it ?

 

Because it's un-American!

 

So is the Federal Reserve..

I mean a good reason why..

 

definetly ! You also know that American's imperialism , how to exploit workers.
While some of them are playing with huge money , there are a lot of homeless -- is it fair ?

 

That's one of the main reason I am voting against Obama and his Socialist views (you know spread the wealth).

 

History has proved it is a flawed way of running an economy. The things that the U.S. has socialized have been a total disaster. One big example is Social Security. It was suppose to help Americans be very comfortable. We have senior citizens eating dog food. It is financially mismanaged and is failing.

People should be allowed to be rich if they bust their asses to do so. If my neighbor needs a little hand up, I have no problem if they are helping themselves. If they are lazy and refuse to help themselves, they deserve to be poor. It is your job to take care of you not the government.

I am registered as a Democrat; however, I refuse to vote to someone like Obama. His policies are flawed and will remove the base for which our entire nation was founded on. If the Democrats remain in power in the House and they get a good majority in the Senate, these policies could go through.

Free market works if it is allowed to work. Government should not control everything you do.

 

Do you know the origin of the phrase "over the hill"? Before we had Social Security we had poor houses. That's where the elderly, and mentally impaired went to live if they had no money and no family to care for them. The poor houses were not pretty & no one wanted to think about them, so they were normally built behind a hill, that way people coming & going down the road would not have to be reminded of the abysmal conditions people had to live in. Since we started Social Security, people have their own income, however small, it is still their own, because they paid into the program. So poor houses are not needed anymore. If seniors are eating dog food, it's because they either didn't pay enough into the system, or they are living beyond their means. Anyway, living on Social Security and eating dog food is still a vast improvement over living in the poor house "over the hill". Do you advocate building new poor houses when you dismantle Social Security, or do you plan to have people sleeping on the sidewalks and begging for change as you go by?

We already have some socialist programs in place, like roads, police, fire departments, libraries, clean water protections, etc. The attempts to paint Obama as a socialist are a continuation of the strategy to make people afraid of him, he's a black man ya know, and they want to stir up fear to try & scare people. So far, it doesn't seem to be working. It's all nonsense. He's not a socialist at all. He wants to restore taxes that were cut a few years ago. And McCain objected to the cuts when they were on the table, so is McCain a socialist too???

 

But there are points that you missing , people born in different conditions . Maybe you can improve yourself well , have a good education but they can't. There are a lot of people who even can't find something to eat . I'm not a socialism fan , i know that there are a lot of wrong with it such as closed economy but it sounds so unfair . And also Karl Marx saw this economical disaster more than a houndred year ago .

 

Socialism hasn't been proven to work in a big economy and yes, it is UnAmerican(if that term hasn't been used enough to make it meaningless). And Obama is probably drawing these criticisms because he has the most liberal voting record in the senate, not because he's black.
We must pray(secularly as a Buckley) that he uses the great intelligence he has to come to the conclusion that he must govern from the center.

 

Pure bullshit. I was born in a family who had eleven kids. We had almost nothing. My dad was a drunk and my mom made way below poverty level. I stood up and brushed myself off and survived and worked my way up to a high management job.

Later in life I decided to go back to school and changed careers. I received a four year plus degree by hard work. No socialist bailed me out! You can sit in a pile of feces and cry poor poor me or you can bust your ass to improve your life. In America, there are choices (under a free market) for those willing to help themselves.

I have no problems with small programs willing to help out those who try to improve themselves. To those who sit on their ass because life dealt them a bad hand deserves what they have. Life is not easy and it is up to YOU not Barrack Obama to improve it.


“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

Wiston Churchill

 

You are absolutly right , believe or not i can understand you but this isn't what i'm trying to point. I'm not defending socialism as i mentioned before but i don't want a country that everything depends on money . As i can understand you are a strong person but everyone can't success as you do. I believe that there are more important things than money like honor,love,friendship . But in metropol countries all these things are big lies . I'm not defending socialism but on the other hand i hate imperialism even i'm a part of it too.

 

And what about people disabled since birth? Or people who worked steadily at low paying jobs all their lives with no health insurance only to be fired when they got sick?

Real life just isn't that simple.

 

How is it people don't know the United States (America) has been socialist for their whole lives.

Public education
Public roads
All government subsidies
Healthcare (to a meaningful extent)
Public libraries

In fact, the country is moving toward national socialism (socialism where the national government owns private businesses such as banks, insurance companies or has business interests with private companies) under the guise of making money for the taxpayers.

We all see Bush's steps toward national socialism. And, history has shown where that leads.

How does someone say they are against socialism but are for George W. Bush????

 

Congratulations, your application for the Race Card has been approved. Have a nice day!

 

An important thing to remeber is everyone can't be successful. Even if you have 11 siblings and you're dirt poor and you turn out to be a success, everybody can't be successful even in America.

Just like everybody can't be rich. For someone to be rich, someone else has to poor. I'm still confused as to why when tax breaks and loop holes are given to the rich it's capitalism, but when tax breaks & refunds are given to the middle class it's socialism. Because the middle class didn't earn it? Are you kidding me? I bust my ass at work, so please come down here and tell me I don't deserve a tax break which is from MY OWN MONEY that the government took in the first place.

That's how I see it anyways

 

The standard of living is generally raised with capitalism because competition benefits the consumer, so whether you're on the low end, mid end or high end, it's worth more than if everyone was middle class in socialism.

If the free-market was allowed to work, you'd see that. Unfortunately because of regulations and lobbyists we live in a "mixed" economy, which means we get a little bit of everything (socialism, capitalism, corporatism). We also have the good ol' Fed that has no oversight whatsoever.

When the shit starts to fly which it is currently, we blame it on the only thing good left, the free-market. So we'll get rid of that now and see how it works. My guess is we'll be just as prosperous as France.

 

I basically agree and I think capitalism is the better choice. My main problem is with people saying something is socialist when its taxes paying for government programs like always.

And also I have a problem with the idea that everyone can be successful. Sure this is America and anyone can be successful, but not everyone can be. Which is why I think some degree of gov't aid to people that need it is a good thing. Sure some poeple take advantage of it like usual, and it's those people who cause the downfall of any system no matter how good the idea is.

 

Yeepp, i've been through some of that myself And you know what I realized?

For one thing, savings. If our money wasn't used as debt and actually backed by something, our work would become more valuable. Meaning, the time you bust your ass now won't depreciate 50% in value in 5 years, 10 years, hell at the pace we're going maybe 5 months. We need to take out loans for sh!t at some point with the system we're in, because everyone else is, which inflates the money more which decreases your value further, which also increases your dependency on government. Guess what i'm pretty poor myself and can't get a car or tuition without $$loans$$. Well i don't want to use loans because i believe in getting what you earn, on the spot. But loans are given out so much, that prices shoot up so high, that sorry chumps like me can't even get the used car on the lot.

Secondly, if our economy was allowed to work on its own we'd have a lot more jobs, meaning if you got fired then oh the f*ck well, go get another one. And if its a lower paying job then so what! You'd be worth a lot more than if you had that same job in a debt based economy.

The system we're in now is what's making you sick to not be able to work.

 

If this, if that...., if we lived in a perfect world. BUT, we don't live in a perfect world. Even if we did live in a perfect world, there would still be some people who are not able to care for themselves.

The system isn't making me sick, and I am working, usually 9.5 to 10 hours a day. Just because I recognize some people aren't able to work, that doesn't mean I was referring to myself.

 

So what's your point that you're trying to make? Are you saying that we currently live in a perfect world?

Obviously, people will suffer, people will always suffer. We're talking about a system that offers opportunities.

Kids will always be bullied in school someway or another, do we stop sending them to school? Car accidents will always happen, do we get rid of all cars? Theft will always happen, should I throw away all of my possessions before it does?

From what i can gather from the point I don't see so clearly, is you're just speaking from a defeatist point of view. You want to prevent anything bad from ever happening again, so in the process you destroy prosperity..

yeah it sounds good when you see something bad happening until you look around and find your wish came true..