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Guidelines for adding Multiple listings on DMOZ.

Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by LaCabra, May 22, 2006.

  1. brizzie

    brizzie Peon

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    #21
    Difference of perception I think. Compared with the extensive deeplinking of say IMDB pages deeplinking in Regional is rare and confined primarily to particular sub-categories - local pages for chain hotels/motels (as long as they are as comprehensive as locally owned hotel sites), are one of those but in most localities listings will be dominated by local enterprises.

    Should be in the Reference branch category for the University which is linked back to Regional. The departments should not be in Regional.

    If that were the case then many categories would disappear overnight and it would badly impact categories for social issues where the information is scattered around academic papers, news articles, maybe company and governmental reports. The categories for Universities and Colleges would go. Categories for individual people would be wiped out. And those categories for historical events - battles and so on. Some of the categories I am proudest of adding from scratch or building up are collating research on important environmental and land rights issues and also on my nephew's homework topics.

    Certain deeplinking is controversial. Some deeplinking is complicated to grasp. A lot is highly valuable and probably what DMOZ does best, better than search engines and a lot more useful than collecting 50,000 web designer's sites. It just takes a bit of experience to do right.
     
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  2. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #22
    Sounds like pure unadulterated nonsense to me. I'm talking about consistency in guidelines across categories. I'm not talking about eliminating either listings or categories. If deeplinking is acceptable in one category, it should be acceptable in all categories. If deeplinking is unacceptable in any categopries, it should be unacceptable in all categories.

    Just make up your mind. Decide on a policy and stick to it.
     
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  3. orlady

    orlady Peon

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    #23
    minstrel, since you believe it is immoral for any domain to have more than one listing in ODP, how can you live with the knowledge that psychlinks.ca has 3 listings?

    Which listings are you going to beg us to delete?
     
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  4. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    Can you please show me where I said deeplinking was immoral, orlady? Did you even read this thread?

    How many times would you like me to post this:

    Or this:

    Honestly, woman. How on earth did you ever get promoted to an administrator? :eek:

    Also, for your information, those three listings are my main psychology resources website and two subdomains - a forum and a directory. That isn't deeplinking by most people's definition.
     
    minstrel, May 25, 2006 IP
  5. accountability

    accountability Peon

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    #25
    With all the bullying and negativity you provide here, how on earth can you call yourself a mental health professional?
     
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  6. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #26
    Speaking of missing the point:

    :rolleyes:
     
    minstrel, May 25, 2006 IP
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    ishfish Peon

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    #27
    It was granted by an AOL staff member. And staff AOL staff can do whatever they want with their directory.
     
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  8. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    I take it the decision wasn't merit based. :rolleyes:
     
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  9. orlady

    orlady Peon

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    #29
    Heaven help the people who visit Dr. Baxter for counseling assistance with life issues such as relationships, stress, adustment disorder, etc. I wonder how many sessions it typically takes for those patients to become seriously mentally ill. :(
     
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  10. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    Good one, orlady.

    It still doesn't explain how someone who could so throughly misunderstand my posts in this thread got to be an administrator.

    By the way... you didn't answer my questions:

    Would you like me to rephrase them using smaller words?
     
    minstrel, May 25, 2006 IP
  11. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #31
    Mental:

    1) Of or relating to the mind; intellectual: mental powers.
    2) Executed or performed by the mind;

    I don't think you have anything to worry about. ;)
     
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  12. LaCabra

    LaCabra Goats R Us

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    #32
    Commercial Break brought to you by...myrecipesource.com

    Would any of you mind if I kinda butted back into my post? ;) Anyways my friend submitted myrecipesource.com to DMOZ/ODP a long time ago (year(s)) and still has not been approved. Can one of you fine folks take a look into it? Also he does have specific areas (ie: soups, ingredients, cuisine etc) on his website which he would like to get additional deep links for. Will this happen automatically and at the descretion of the editor/admin etc?

    thank you ..
    Frank
     
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  13. accountability

    accountability Peon

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    #33
    I seriously doubt he has any clients, if he did he would not have the time to make 11,000 + posts here, most of which are trolling and nonsense.

    I'm beginning to think he is in partners with Gworld who runs the porn escort services sites (much more lucrative than mental health) - since he agrees with him so much. BTW, how come no one questions DMOZ listing Escort services - since they are known to be linked to underage prostitutes.

    And thanks to whoever for the latest negative feedback

    The same reason you get to call yourself a moron: Credentials.

    It's nice to know you read my posts and care about them
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #34
    Is this an admission that DMOZ has even more child porn listings than previously mentioned? At least now, DMOZ editors can not claim that they were not aware of such listings since it is admitted by great DMOZ defender accountability. This is even more reason to dismantle the whole adult section since it seems there is no way to enforce a guideline on them at present time.
     
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  15. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #35
    Hate to inform you of yet another demonstration of your ignorance, "accountability" (sic), but in fact I have quite a busy practice with more requests for appointments than I can comfortably manage. If you look at the pattern of my posting, you'll see that I "disappear" from forums for several hours each day so that I can go to my office and meet with clients.

    As for the number and quality of my posts, I seriously doubt that you've read any of the ones outside of the DMOZ forum here but in any case some of us (e.g., me) are simply able to think and type faster than others (e.g., you and others of obviously limited intellect).

    Ahhh, yes. One of the indicators of whether or not a thread is hitting home is the number of people resorting to the standard DMOZ/RZ strategy of "if you can't debate the issue, attack the person", demonstrated so clearly here by orlady and accountability. Maybe one day you too will be promoted to an administrator, "accountability".

    All in good time, acc. If you really care about the issue, why don't YOU start a thread on it?
     
    minstrel, May 26, 2006 IP
  16. brizzie

    brizzie Peon

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    #36
    No, its not nonsense. I assume from your reply that you accept the value of the type of deeplinks I mentioned because they collate and categorise knowledge. Equally elsewhere you are not in favour of the deeplinking of Adult image galleries. Neither am I. Because personally I don't think they add value - 1000 links, 100 sites. It restricts the diversity of listings and isn't knowledge but a commercial offering. There are two directly opposing factors in favour and against deeplinking. Rather than destroy the advantages of one to prevent the disadvantages of the other DMOZ takes a flexible approach.

    Generally the division lies in deeplinking information and knowledge that is helpful to people - research, issues, weather, hotels in a locality you are travelling to. Resources. And not deeplinking commercial products and services. Marketing. As with all systems a totally rigid approach to this division does not serve the end user so there will be exceptions such as listing good quality local pages for national hotel/motel chains. And you will find consistency. But it is branch led not directory wide. Because the information requirements of each branch are different. An editor starts off in one branch and learns those requirements. When they move into another branch they must learn those too before proceeding to deeplink. Within the branches the requirements vary as well so within Regional weather sites will invariably be national or international site relevant content whereas Business and Economy will invariably be local businesses only.

    There are few areas of contention, at least as far as editors are concerned, the major exception being Adult image galleries where some editors believe the galleries should be treated as commercial products per Shopping, and some believe they are more akin to reference, i.e. knowledge and information, resources.

    What I will say is that whilst experience means I understand deeplinking as well as anyone, retiring editor memory wipe notwithstanding, if it does cause problems for others, particularly webmasters, to understand the division, then there is another communication problem to add to the list and perhaps something requiring some clarification.
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #37
    No, brizzie, that's just more bafflegab.

    I'm neither opposed to deeplinks nor in favor of them. Yes, that even applies to Adult. My point is the same as it always has been: Just make rules that apply to everyone and then enforce the damn things.

    The problem with Adult is that there were sites with dozens or even hundreds hundreds of links that simply weren't merited, while at the same time there were sites in other categories that would never get deeplinked because of the category they're in. It's really not a difficult thing to create some rules that define what qualifies for deeplinking and what doesn't. Establish those rules and then apply them to all categories. Not just ones you happen to be in favor of or where you want to see certain sites get more links. ALL categories. Yep, even the "spammy" ones. It's the editor's job to weed out spammy sites - what difference does it make if you're weeding out a spammy site for a single listing or multiple links?
     
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    brizzie Peon

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    We'll have to agree to disagree. It's academic anyway - the deeplinking practices are established and unlikely to change any place except Adult where there is contention. It isn't straightforward, but it isn't arbitrary either - most editors understand and apply the principles of when to deeplink and when not to consistently and even-handed after a little practice.

    That is what already happens - the 3 types are the definitions of what qualifies for deeplinking and what doesn't. It is applied to all categories. Adult is the only place where editors really disagree on what "type" of deeplink the image galleries fall into and where qualification is/was in dispute. So I am not sure we are disagreeing at all. What might be useful is to review how helpful the guidance (not guidelines) are on deeplinking but the basics are certainly there.
     
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  19. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    :confused:

    It doesn't look like that's what already happens. And a few of your former colleagues earlier in this thread (I think it was this thread) were saying that it isn't what already happens - that there are categories where deeplinking is not allowed. So even if it is the policy, apparently it's not even clear to editors.

    The thing is, it's not enough for something to be true. It also has to be clear that it's true. Otherwise, for all intents and purposes, it isn't true.

    Public Relations - something it seems very few DMOZ editors understand at all.
     
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  20. Cristian Mezei

    Cristian Mezei Notable Member

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    What i found acceptable by rules (and ethical too, as far as my mind goes) is submitting the same URL to a lot of regional areas.

    That presumes that the X website is written 1-2-3.... 20 languages, all easily accesible from the homepage, all complete.
     
    Cristian Mezei, May 26, 2006 IP
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