Free Gaza Movement | Resistance against Unjust US-sponsored Apartheid Occupation

Gaza has been under a blockade for such a long time. There is news on this front.

http://www.freegaza.org/

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=66911&sectionid=351020202

 

Iran is such a respected news source on Israel - couldn't you find something even more biased and full of lies?

The truth is far from what you post. Israel did supply the exact goods you complaining about - but of course, Hamas had to start attacking Israel.
"Despite its seven-month blockade, up to now Israel allowed basic food items and humanitarian supplies into Gaza."

Not a peep from you about the Hamas attacks that force the blockades. Why is that?

I love this part:

The Free Gaza Movement is preparing to sail two ships into Gaza carrying 40 human rights workers from 17 different countries. They will also deliver hearing aids for children who have lost some or all of their hearing due to Israeli sound bombs and sonic booms.

The ships have been named the SS Free Gaza, and the SS Liberty - in recognition of the USS Liberty, a U.S. Navy ship, carrying 340 that was attacked by Israeli fighter planes and torpedo boats on 8 June 1967, assassinating 34 American sailors and wounding 170.​

Palestinians naming the ship after the Liberty, that's rich. If the Palestinian people gave a shit about American lives they would not have danced, celebrated, and handed out candies on 9-11. Sad that they can't even manage to run a humanitarian effort without that kind of crap.

 

Well, if Gaza didn't elect an internationally recognized terrorist government called the Hamas, then maybe they wouldn't be under "Seize".

Has anybody every considered that the people of Sderot, an Israeli city, are under "seize" of Hamas militant rockets falling randomly on elementary schools and industrial areas in a populated city?

I mean it's the Palestinian people's fault. They democratically voted in a terrorist militant government that does not recognize Israel's right to exist. So Israel has every right to close borders. How would San Diego residents feel if some Northern Mexico residents starting sending Mortar fire on their schools? Let me guess, Bush wouldn't do anything?

Israel simply does it's best to ignore them and make sure the rest of the world ignores them.

What is the alternative? Seriously, what would you suggest? There is no "make friends" with the Hamas. They don't recognize our right to exist as a state. They claim we sit on Arab holyland therefore the land is not up for negotiation.

The reality is that the Hamas has brutally murdered thousands of Israelis - and you expect us to open our borders? The Hamas has been on film using ambulances and children to smuggle weapons.

So don't give me any bullshit about humanitarian causes because they abuse even the very little compassion that we have for them.

And don't give me any shit about "it's their land". Before 1967, Gaza belonged to EGYPT. After the war in 67, Israel controlled the land until the PLO was allowed to become an autonomy. Gaza isnt under Israeli rule. They lived like shit long before 1967, long before Israel "inherited" the problem.

Gaza isnt "Palestinian" land. It's fucking Egyptian land. But when Israel made peace with Egypt 20 years ago, Egypt refused to accept Gaza back. That is what the egyptians think of their "brothers". But don't ever mistake Gaza to be Palestinian land.

Don't mistake Jerusalem to be Palestinian land either. That's all bullshit. Back in 1967, the land belonged to JORDAN. Israel won Jerusalem in a war against the Jordanian army. It was NEVER "Palestinian" land.

Israel took out 23 Arab nations in 1967 and inherited the land as "spoils of war". That's the price you pay when you fight a war and lose. They started the war & finally lost both war and the land. Case closed.

Show me in history (before the Oslo accords granting the PLO control) where there was a Palestinian King, Prime Minister, President or Government. The local "Palestinians" of the land never had any government of their own in the entire history of mankind. The people of Palestine we're refugee's who we're always controlled by foreign governments and monarchys.

Here is the simple history...

Before Israel became a state, the English ruled the land, and before the English the Turkish ruled the land. The Turkish ruled for over 400 years. Before the Turkish, the Egyptians ruled the land.

So seriously, the Palestinian scream for "independence" is not an "Israeli" or "Jewish" problem. The arabs of the land have never been united, and as such, they were never self-governed.

I mean take a look at the Abu Mazen (current Official Palestinian President) and Ismael Heniya (Hamas Prime Minister). The leaders from the top down have literally tried to kill each other several times. They hate eachother with a passion, more than they could ever hate Israel. Fact is, each terrorist group has a different agenda, a different "daddy" paying the bills and coordinating the terror.

The Jews have Unity. That is simply a concept that the Palestinian natives will never understand. They will remain refugee's until they unite. Jews are not the Arab's problems - rather Arab's are the Arab's problem. Peace can only be achieved if there is unity from both sides.

Truthfully, I wouldn't mind if I get called up to reserve duty to go back to Gaza. It's time we did put them in their place.

 

Another post of random nothingness from you.

Nothing was different before Hamas was elected. Israelis were still bulldozing down houses and shooting Palestinian kids.

They hope it can return to pre 1948 where everyone lived side by side peacefully, before the Zionists came and ruined everything.

As your former Prime minister, Shamir said "We can not disqualify terrorism as a means of combat" You ovbiously agree with that.

 

The Anti-Americanism of the Israel-Firsters

- by Michael Scheuer​

About the Author
Michael Scheuer is a 22-year veteran of the CIA, and was the head of CIA's Bin Laden Unit.

Source: http://www.antiwar.com/scheuer/?articleid=11871

 

@ Gauharjk - Dude, nobody needs to "spy" on anybody these days. Communism died long ago, and the days of the internet has proven far more intelligent than any single spy agency.

Fact is, if you knew anything about the CIA, then you'd know that it was originally created as a clandestine group to protect American Financial Interests overseas. Spying is only a means to protect a sovereigns financial and institutional assets. CIA has ZERO jurisdiction in the United States. Their federal badge doesnt even get them twinkies and donuts at the police station.

Besides that, the NSA is 10,000 times larger than the CIA and FBI, and yet you hear very little of them. And they have far more control by the President than the CIA or FBI. Its the NSA opinion that matters.

FBI doesnt spy on foreign armys, monarchys, etc., and neither does the CIA. Most information today is public. Most governments have public knowledge laws to ensure that the government is operating properly on behalf of their people.

The CIA's job as "money watchman" by monitoring financial transactions may lead them to terrorists, but make no mistake, the NSA is the strongest clandestine institution in the United States. CIA is "semi-political" - therefore, everything about them is printed in the newspaper.

Nothing about the NSA is printed in the paper, just like America doesnt print anything about the location of it's nuclear bomb facilities. Ever ask yourself why the NSA is never printed in the paper? Cause their opinion is the most valuable to the president. So don't print "ex-CIA" bullshit. Nobody cares.

@ ThRaxed - Dude, I once again highly suggest you go read WIKIPEDIA.

Show me where in History that the so-called "Palestinian" people had a self-governing body? According to history (look at Wikipedia), you will see that Palestine WAS NEVER self-governed.

Before Israel became a country, the British Empire controlled the land once called Palestine. It was only called Palestine, yet the land in ALL OF HISTORY never had a local self-governing parliament or senate.

Here is the history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
Mamluk Period 1244–1517 - 300 Years of Mongols and Egyptian Mamluk Gang Fighters.
Ottoman Period 1517-1917 - 400 years the Turkish King controlled "Palestine".
British Mandate Period 1917–1948 - British ruled are for 31 years after the Turkish.

If you read WikiPedia, you will see that the UN tried to put the local non-Arab's in Jordan (at the time was called Trans-Jordan) and solve the local refugee problem.

How come the local Palestinians are bitching now? Why didn't they bitch during that thousands of years that the locals never had a self-governing united body?

They are the longest living recognized people that never had any self-governing body. What does that tell you?

After Oslo in 1992, Israel allowed in Arafat to create a self-governing body. The f'n locals voted out the Fatah party in Gaza and now the Hamas (which is a world recognized terrorist organization) made a joke out of "democracy" by getting themselves voted in.

I mean over 85% of all democratically elected officials in the Hamas Government are killers with blood on their hands. I mean literally being a part of the Hamas is no different than being DON of some Mafia family. The people are stupid for voting in a government that the world refuses to recognize.

Please note: The Fatah (Arafat's political group) is basically dead. At one time, it was recognized by the world and had tons of money backing reforms. As soon as the world gave Arafat a chance, his top people all got involved in black marketing the financial assistance - and then soon after came terror and all hell broke loose.

Til this day, the residents of Gaza hate their Arab brothers who reside in Ramallah. Remember, the people from Ramallah just 30 years ago used to be Jordanian while the Gazan's we're all Egyptians. It's 2 different worlds, and they all have different political agendas.

But everytime that Israel arrests Hamas parliament member for committing a crime, we are "hurting democracy" because afterall, these are "democratically" elected officials. So immediately on the news in Israel, you see the same "democratically elected official" on TV inciting violence and giving satanic commands to his people openly on TV.

Did you know that Disney went out of their fucking minds when the Hamas party's TV station used Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck to explain to children how to strap a fucking bomb on themselves?

Israel never "transferred" arabs from Tel Aviv to Gaza. In 1948, the residents of Gaza we're all EGYPTIAN citizens. In 1948, Jerusalem belonged to Jordan. In 1967, Israel fought and won both Gaza and Jerusalem as well as the "Golan Heights" from Syria. Those lands are the "spoils of war" that never ever belonged to Palestinian people.

What happened was when Gaza became controlled by Israel in 1967, the Egyptians immediately disowned their own people that lived in Gaza. Furthermore, Egypt renounced the Egyptian citizenship of all residents from Gaza. That is your "Palestinian" problem...

In the same "6 day war" that Israel fought and won Jerusalem from Jordan - The Jordanian king immediately disowned all of the Jerusalem, Ramallah, Bethleham, etc., residents from Jordanian citizenship. Not an Israeli problem.

When Israel made peace with both Jordan and Eqypt, we offered land in return. Guess what? The Eqyptians reportedly laughed and refused to accept their own people back. So don't give me any bullshit about Israel making a Palestinian problem.

Palestians are local people who never accepted Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, British - yet claim it's their land. They are not united, and they have been a needle in the ass of this world for several decades after using terrorism to promote their political agenda.

Peace is only for those who stand united. Israel can make peace because we are united. The Palestinians are not united, so there is nobody to talk to. They have 2 many political factions, yet nobody can make decisions for all people.

In simple English - Until they get their own shit together, they dont have a right to demand anything from the world. They need to stop stop educating children 72 virgins in Heaven as if God is a pimp and heaven is an orgy. The key to their future is with them. Dont blame Israel, Egypt, Jordan or any other country for the "Palestinian Problem" - cause it's really not our problem.

 

Nice wall of text. Now put it into comprehensible english with sources and i might reply to you.

 

There is nothing wrong with his English, it is very easy to understand.

His history of the area seems fairly accurate to me. I would love to hear what facts you take issue with.

 

It dosen't matter if there is 1 country or 100, the rightful owners of the land are the people who have been there since most of history, and this is the Palestinians, all the diatrabe from SharePro is totally irrelevant since the Zionists started this by mass migrating to the land and expelling the native Palestinians by gunpoint.



Native Palestinians being expelled at gunpoint from their homes in Haifa

What did they do to deserve this? Nothing, and you now expect them to be friendly to this fake state that took theirs homes?

 

Thank God Gaza can dig tunnels so they get what measly supplies they can.

 

The fact that Israel is collectivley punishing the millions in Gaza is a breach of international law and makes them criminals.

 

We are at war with terrorism, and yes, it is 100% legit to collectively punish an entire country. It's called WAR.

In short, no terrorism = no war. But if rockets from Gaza drops on a school with children or a family home, you can bet your ass that there is collective punishment.

The Palestinian locals democratically voted in the Hamas - and where I come from, anybody who aides, abeds, or supports a terrorist or terrorist group, or terrorist government can expect to live in hell on this earth.

You see, if the Hamas would fight the Israeli Army, then its understood that we're fighting over land or politics. But suicide bombers blowing up women and children in Mc Donalds is fucking terror.

If you think the Jew's are just going to get up and leave the land, you are wrong.

Btw - The picture that you posted reveals the reality of war. The fact is, we Jew's controlled the land long before your Mohammed prophet existed. Long before you guys "heard the voice of God".

I mean lets face it, Jews claim to have heard God thousands of years before the Christians got Jesus, which by the way was Jewish. Mohammed came several hundred years AFTER CHRIST DIED.

You Arabs dont have any ancient books that show you have any title or deed to the land. So who the fuck are you bullshitting?

Just because a land was called Palestine - doesn't give you Arab's any ownership. Mohammed not only was your prophet, but he was a militant person who fought for "Arab land".

At different times, the Christian crusaders, Arabs, Vikings, Chinese Mongols, Persians, Turkish and other people from other lands controlled the land. According to the Bible, its the land that was given by God to the Jews.

Every Christian on earth believes that God promised Abraham, Isaac, Jacab and later on Moses and the 12 tribes of Israel the land. According to the bible, 1 month after Moses died, the book of Joshua describes the Jewish presence on the land of Israel.

Even if you dont believe the bible as a book for spiritual message - using it as a simple history book - the bible clearly states that the Jew's we're on the land. Archeological proof shows that the Jews owned the land long before you Arab's even existed.

So now how come your fucking rights to the land are above mine? What makes your people so god damn special?

Every time a Palestinian talks about politics, they claim Jews shouldnt be on the land - as if we stole the land. Perhaps you fucking people "stole" the land and we simply took it back. You ever thought about that?

I mean take a look at why the world seriously doesn't give a shit about the Palestinian cause. You people have never had self-government cause you people all hate each other. You hate your fellow arabs - and truthfully they have all turned their backs on you. Palestinians are not wanted in any other country.

There is a saying that goes --> "If you go to Rome, be a Roman. If you go to America, then act like an American. In every country that Palestinians have been in, they we're immediately hated by the local people. Take a look at how hated the Palestinian is in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, etc. Just last month the Lebanese army killed over 800 Palestinians in clashes with the Lebanese army.

The Lebanese killed more Palestinians in one week than Israel does in a year. Oh shit, I don't hear your voice now screaming out.

You see, Arabs by nature are not united. It's sad cause the only time your people unite is when you try to fight the Jews.

But over the years, Israel has increased what I like to call "BITCH SLAPPING". Your people hit us, and we take an entire villiage and bitch slap everybody by cutting electricity, communications and making sure that the noise of fighter planes turbulation shattering all of the glass windows in the neighborhood will convince the people that they voted in the wrong government to represent them.

BY FACT - Jordan has killed more Palestinians that Israel. Why dont you speak out? Syria has killed more Palestinians than Israel - and yet you don't scream.

Israel isnt the Arab problem. We're just an excuse. There is no democratically elected (non monarchy) Arab republic government that is not involved in terrorism. You know why? Because you fucking people only understand force.

If you really cared about Palestinian people, you'd tell your brothers in arms to spend the next year on vacation and worry more about getting medical supplies, toilet paper, food, etc. But there are so many terrorist organizations running loose that even the Hamas is limited to stop all of the rocket attacks against Israeli cities.

Since Israel officially has nobody to talk to on the Palestinian side in Gaza, the only way to deal with you is put you in a human prison.

But lets face it - Even the Egyptians who border Gaza at Rafiah dont give the Palestinians anything. They dont want to help you and they don't give a shit about your Palestinian cause. Truth is, most Arabs don't want to fight other peoples wars - and most Arab's know that joining the Palestinian terror will only result in Israel pounding them.

Your people will always live helplessly cause your "honor" and "ego" dominates your ability to really understand what is good for you and your people.

If the Palestinians didnt have terror, they'd have a fucking country with western support. But that dream died long ago. In conclusion - You created your own nightmare.

 

SharePro, i have reported your post. When you can learn to debate without inciting hatred, racism, you will be answered to, untill then, i don't see any reason to respond to your drivel.

 

They should be thankful on every KW of electricity, every liter of water, and every gallon of fuel that we, in very stupid act, give them. and what do we get back? rockets and terror attacks.

I visited in the area couple of weeks ago, and even there is "cease-fire" (more than 20 rockets landed in Israel during this "cease-fire"), i could see the fear. I could see the shelters from rockets anywhere. I could see thousands of schools, kindergartens, and homes covered in concrete and steel. WHY SHOULD OUR PEOPLE LIVE AND FEAR, AND THE ARABS IN GAZA WILL DRINK OUR WATER, DRIVE CARS WITH ROCKETS WITH OUR FUEL, AND PRODUCE THEIR ROCKETS USING OUR ELECTRICITY?! say thanks that they get that and be quiet.

 

There was even more fear in the early 1900's, when the Palestinians were forced out of their homes at gunpoint and the transfer (ethnic cleansing) making them all refugees.

 

The British mandate over Palestine was due to expire on 15 May, but Jewish Leadership led by future Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, declared independence on 14 May. The State of Israel declared itself as an independent nation, and was quickly recognized by the United States, the Soviet Union, and many other countries.

Over the next few days, approximately 1,000 Lebanese, 5,000 Syrian, 5,000 Iraqi, and 10,000 Egyptian troops invaded the newly-established state. Four thousand Transjordanian troops invaded the Corpus separatum region encompassing Jerusalem and its environs, as well as areas designated as part of the Arab state by the UN partition plan. They were aided by corps of volunteers from Saudi Arabia, Libya and Yemen.

UN Secretary-General Trygve Lie characterized it as "the first armed aggression which the world had seen since the end of the [Second World] War."

The heaviest fighting would occur in Jerusalem and on the Jerusalem-Tel Aviv road, between Transjordan's Arab Legion and the Israeli forces. Abdullah ordered Glubb Pasha, the commander of the Transjordanian Arab Legion, to enter Jerusalem on 17 May, and heavy house-to-house fighting occurred between 19 May and 28 May, with the Arab Legion succeeding in expelling Israeli forces from the Arab quarters of Jerusalem as well as the Jewish Quarter of the Old City. All the Jewish inhabitants of the Old City were expelled by the Jordanians.

 

For heavens sake.
I thiugh Gazza had been arrested!
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?i...&tbnw=88&prev=/images?q=gazza&um=1&hl=en&sa=N

 

that's very true. in addition, the citizens of "Gush Azion" were expelled by the Jordanians too. and also the Jews citizens of Hebron in 1929.

 

Peaceful negotiations are the only means to solve the problems with gaza.