Russia vs Georgia - This is a tale of US expansion not Russian aggression

The fact is, theres no OIL in South Ossetia. So all statements about Russia running for oil are ridiculous. Russia did only defend the South Ossetians from killing them.

Georgia can easily give an independence to South Ossetia and join NATO, whats their problem? South Ossetia will never be a part of Georgia since they were in conflict for 18 years now. Georgia just making a problem for themselves. Russia will not leave this attack on civilians unpunished.

 

There's no oil but but from South Ossetia Russia can cut Georgia in two at will. Closing the only Cacacus pipeline that doesn't run through Russia.

Russia today has moved SS-21 missiles into South Ossetia that can reach the Georgian capital Tibilisi.

It appears that the Russians are preparing an assualt on the Georgian capital and are using the ceasefire to prepare a builtup of assualt forces.

 

So we can expect Russia giving independence to Chechnya and Dagestan very soon, right?

 

and croatia to give independence to krajina?

 

There were no krajina as legal entity ever in history. Of course, facts are something that you don't care much about.

 

There really isn't much to talk about. It is business as usual for the Russians. They have a policy of maintaining border wars. Transnistria, Abhazia, Chechnya and now South Ossetia. 30 or 40 years ago it would've been Czechoslovakia or Hungary.

As for the article in The Guardian, the guy that wrote the article falls in the category that Lenin described as "useful idiots". The Western European left can't help itself.

Best regards, George

 

oh right sorry...when croat tito decides to make serb speaking croats a "legal entity" then this is all peaches and roses...but, in the same country, when serbs who speak serbian (notice the subtle difference) want their own country then this, somehow, is not legal ...

or did you mean croat franjo did not recognize anybody but croat separatists as "legal entities"...gotta love the double standards in any case..

 

Other than childish babbling you have nothing else to say. As I already said: facts are something that you don't care about. I will repeat one more time and maybe you can get it this time: there where no krajina as legal entity ever in history. Want me to draw it for you so you can get it?
You should learn history before posting nonsense.

 

I think you follow the same logic as Bush. Double standards.
You stand behind muslims no matter if they are right or wrong morally.

You are wrong on Chechnya too. 95% of Chechens want to stay with Russia. There was a referendum on that. Where did you get that that the Chechens and the Dagestany want to split from Russia?

Just because 1% Fanatical Islamic terrorists supported by Washington and her puppets wanted to split does not mean every chechen wanted.

You seem to be a smart person, but your double standard views reduce the value of your opinions.

You can't have views like US is always right, Israel is always right, Russia is always right, muslims are always right and have peace and security in the world.

If we trully want to live in peace the law should be the same for all. Or we will keeping have the curent cituation.

 

Chechnya & Dagestan are russian territories since 18th century, if you dont know history - its your problem. I can quote wiki if you want?

P.s: you can expect the same things that US do, we just joined US game of rulling the world ))) So, basically the US/Russian rule is:

there's no rules, the only rule is your interest

So dont talk about Chechnya and I wont talk about Iraq, Kosovo, Pakistan, Afganistan, etc. etc. We all know there are no rules when it comes to US or Russia.

Some nice presents we got there:

Now whos goona say that Russia bombs civilians, pipelines, railways and all that BS ? They only deal with the georgian bases and weaponry.

Anyways, US will give Georgia another 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 bln $))) give all your taxes to sponsor different armies of the world, so they could attack and then leave all them goods later))

 

History that I have read is waaaaaaaay different than what you claim here. Just small example:

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As i can read history they never wanted to live under foreigner rule.

See above. As I can see they don't like living under foreigner rule. It doesn't mean if some territory is under occupation since 18th century that makes it ok.

In the other hand you are defending Russia like Russia doing something right and yet you claim that there's no rules when comes to Russia.

The world didn't forget what Russia did in Chechnya and how Russia basicly flattered Grozny so I can believe when someone says that Russia bombs civilians,pipelines and railways. Or do you want me to believe that more than 35,000 civilians got killed in Chechnya because Russia doesn't bomb civilians?

 

Lets then split up all countries? Basques in Spain, US with its Columb? Okay?)))

Russia and US Its a game between two if you didnt know that. So the rules are set between them, TOO.

Believe me, there were killed more than 35,000 civilians here, including my grand grand dads and mums (im not russian):

Im not saying Russia is an angel. But fighting for your own territory is a constitution of ANY country. Imagine that Mexican cities in US would claim independence? What would US do ? Cut them? I dont think so.

And if you wanna know, the chechen troops were helping russian once (since both are russian citizens) in south ossetia

 

Russia is trying that as I can see...

And that's the problem. People like you who finds excuses for those "games" are responsible for all sufering that those "games" causes.

It seems likey ou are proud of so many civilians killed?!?

Im not saying Georgia is an angel. But fighting for your own territory is a constitution of ANY country. Imagine that Mexican cities in US would claim independence? What would US do ? Cut them? I dont think so.

There were also more than 1,000,000 people from all european nations fighting for Hitler. It's just history fact.

 

No, it seems that this region was set long time ago in that war and I dont want anymore wars, Im fine living in Russia and with russians.

ya, people like me and the whole Russia will stand against US expansion Dont provoke - and no bombs will be dropped.

You defend chechens then compare them with Hitler? Ok. Makes no sense to me, though.

 

But if Russia gained territory in war and you claim it is ok to do that can anyone else in world do same thing? Why than you complain about US expansion?

So basicly you claim that it is US expansion because Georgians doing what you claim anyone in world would do? Sorry, but you hardly makes any sense.

Eventually you will get it. Here's another history fact: did you know that there was even Jews in Hitlers army?

 

You still dont get it. Now look where the US and Russia on the map. Georgia is a US puppet and making everything what US says. Thats near our borders, why not stick to your own borders? Russia doesnt sponsor Cuba and say bomb Jamaica, does it ?

I repeat 100th time, after collapse of USSR no one gave south ossetia to georgia! Show me any single legal document that says south ossetia is a territory of Georgia?

Now you get it:

Did you know that so called "chechen freedom fighters" as you probably call them, attacked my city in 2005? My city isnt russian, nor chechen nation.

Did you know that "chechen freedom fighters" wanted to take the whole north caucasus, not only Chechnya? Including all small republics and mine as well? And then make an islamic cr*p, they even created a name for it.


so what the hell are you talking about? You dont know all the facts and what they wanted to do in here.

 

So basicaly they are US puppets because they are doing what everyone in the world would do (according to you)?

Why anyone needs to give South Ossetia to Gergia if it was already part of it?!? Show me any single legal document that says South Ossetia WASN'T territory of Georgia?

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Booo hooo! Let's use same crap US use. Can't you come up with something orginal?

 

according to me south ossetia isnt georgian territory. So your question is irrelevant.

Why? Do I need to remind you that USSR had the rights to make agreements cos it was its territories before collapse.

You forgot the rest of the sentence from your "source":

crap? I am living here, 2 hours drive from Chechnya

no need to compare with US and Iraq which are hours away on the plane, Ive seen the dead bodies of these so called "freedom fighters" after they attacked my city.

 

Well than UN will recognise South Ossetia as independent state first thing in the morning!
It doesn't matter what you think. Seriously, you are waaaaaaay too worst in double standards compared to US.

So basicly you can't show any legal document that will show us that South Ossetia was not part (and isn't!) of Georgian territory?
If they took that part of Georgia by force 18 years ago it doesn't make it legal state.

So basicly all those chechens died since 18th century russian occupation were islamic terrorists?

 

And dooooooooont give a damn of what you or Rice will say

If you have plans fighting with Russia, I will be glad to serve my country.

So basically you cannot show any documents that says IT IS a georgian territory either.

no comments, re-read my previous post. My city has got nothing to do with the chechen vs russian battle and they still attack it, who are they ? I call them terrorists.