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dissapointed in DMOZ

Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by AlexP, May 3, 2006.

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  1. #1
    Hello everyone

    I would like to express my frustration regarding suspicious and unexplained behavior of DMOZ directory.
    During more then 2 years I was trying to submit my friend’s web-site http://www.cigoutlet.net but without any luck. :( The site was not submitted, not explanations have been ever given. We almost feel powerless, as we have no idea why the site has been not accepted yet. :confused: http://www.cigoutlet.net it’s a very good web-site, which is not only an Internet shop, but is also providing news and forum. Therefore it has lots of unique content on it, the fact which can’t be stated at several websites placed in DMOZ directories… For example there is absolutely no unique content on such sites as: discountcheapcigarettes.com or tobaccoteds.com.

    If we were at least advised what is wrong with our web-site, we could have felt more support from DMOZ side and it would have been clearer how the directory is working. What we get instead is more frustration and assumption that sth is wrong within it.

    Would deeply appreciate if anyone could advise regarding this matter.

    Thanks
     
    AlexP, May 3, 2006 IP
  2. lmocr

    lmocr Peon

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    #2
    Some advice - STOP suggesting the site to all the categories you've suggested it to. You don't have to suggest a site more than once, you've exceeded that factor by over ten.

    It takes quite awhile for Shopping sites to be reviewed because there are so many of them. Eventually someone will review your friend's site.
     
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    chandubhai Banned

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    I personally think DMOZ sucks.
     
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    #4
    DMOZ quite likely thinks you suck too chandubhai. How that contributes or aids the questioner though I am not sure.
     
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  5. Crazy_Rob

    Crazy_Rob I seen't it!

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    Hmmm, I've not heard of any complaints about DMOZ until now.

    Is this something common? :confused:
     
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    MattUK Notable Member

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    Erm, do a search on DMOZ or ODP and see for yourself! :)
     
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    #7
    i've been trying to get my sites listed for ages too... but not successful and am disappointed...

    however, my feeling is that they don't owe us anything... so i guess i cannot really complain... :D
     
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    SedNaX Active Member

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    i totally agree with you :)

    i'm also waiting for more than 6 months now.. still no answer..
     
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    chandubhai Banned

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    Do you even know why I said that?
     
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    compostannie Peon

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    Ok fair enough since you're only asking for an explaination. Keep in mind I'm only speaking for myself and not all editors. (You won't like what I have to say.)

    I think it's safe to say that I've listed lots of sites in all the Shopping categories except Shopping/Tobacco and even if I remain an editor for 20 more years I won't list a single site in that category. Smoking kills people. I want no part of that.

    It would be bad enough if it only hurt the person using the product, but that's not the case with smoking. That poison gets in the air we breathe. Non-smokers and children in the area of the smoker have no choice but to continue breathing. I've never smoked yet I have a chronic lung disease from breathing other people's smoke. Yes, that makes me biased in that particular category, but it's ok because I don't delete the listings either. I can promise you, I personally will never list your site, but if someone else overlooks your spamming and does decide to list it, I won't delete it either. All editors work as volunteers, so we can choose not to work in any particular category and no one can make us.

    Now that you have explanations for what you see as "suspicious and unexplained behavior" from at least two editors, I hope you'll feel better about circumstances you can't control and look elsewhere to promote your site. We have a lot of your submissions, we don't need anymore.
     
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  11. Crazy_Rob

    Crazy_Rob I seen't it!

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    BS! You should leave your personal feelings out of it! Especially when you're wrong. :rolleyes:
     
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    What compostannie is also saying is that editors do not have to edit in a category they don't feel comfortable editing in. For example, if an editor is pro-life, then they don't have to edit one site in the pro-choice categories. If editors come across a site whose content they don't agree with and if they don't feel comfortable reviewing that site, then they don't have to; they can leave it in unreviewed for another editor to look at - whenever that time comes.
     
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    Sorry Rob, I'm not required to review Tobacco sites. That's the way DMOZ works. I put more than enough time and effort into other areas to feel fine with my choice.

    You'll notice, I also don't lobby for the removal of the category. That IS leaving my own feelings out of it. I'm a top level Shopping editor and the guy wanted an explaination for what he percieved to be "suspicious and unexplained behavior" in the shopping category.

    It's not BS, it's the truth. This really is the reason I personally will never review his site. Would it be better if no Shopping editor bothered to reply to him? He really didn't even deserve an answer since he's broken every rule we have sumbitting over and over to multiple categories, mirrors, doorways... Oh that poor guy!
     
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  14. Crazy_Rob

    Crazy_Rob I seen't it!

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    Gotcha! I don't really know how DMOZ works...and I really don't care.

    Sorry I replied to your post.

    <unsubscribed> ;)
     
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    Wrong about what? That she doesn’t like the category and refuses to edit there?
    Or her bias is unfounded? In either case, since ODP is volunteer built, nobody can make her edit anywhere, any amount, or any particular hours.

    Anyway, the fact is that shopping editors are harder to come buy for several reasons. Most editors don’t enjoy editing there because of all the spammy, doorway affiliate, and mirror sites they have to wade through just to find one listable site. I'm constantly deleting and reporting sites like these in shopping. It really eats up your time and so it takes longer to find the legitimate ones. Ironically, the areas of the ODP that are least desirable to edit in are the very areas that most webmasters and site owners complain about and feel the need to be listed. Unfortunately for the owners of legitimate sites, there competitors really bog down those cats with unlistable submissions.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    May be we should let adult editors edit in shopping instead. They seem to enjoy spammy, doorway affiliate, and mirror sites since this is a big part of what they list. This guy can get 50 listings in DMOZ and there will be no complain. ;) :rolleyes:
     
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    If that had been the case for other threads here involving other categories within Dmoz, and the far reaching moral and ethical consequences that they 'may' entail...I'll leave that to your imagination I guess. The threads wouldn't have been up for discussion.
    'Freedom of speech' and 'choice' is all too obviously enforced in some categories. The reasoning behind the inclusion of these categories has been widely and heatedly discussed.
    Yet when it comes to folks, surfers and interested parties lighting up a ciggie and the surfers that 'hey might actually be interested in looking up tobacco related sites'.. ?? :confused:

    Some editors will have nothing to do with it ??? And will be unabashedly biased against such categories ?

    What really honestly (??) has that got to do with what is listed within Dmoz and what isn't ? Smokers may well look up sites related to smoking, as adult surfers look up adult sites. Thats why there are arguments to keep the latter included.

    Personal morals, ethics and self-righteousness are put to the side for imparciality surely. It's not the end of the world if an adult wants to read about lighting up a tab or two. It's not against the law after all.

    There is nothing wrong probably with your site Alex. ( I also don't edit there). It just seems that editors haven't gotten round to looking at it yet. Thats all. And thats the answer you should have been given first off here. Nothing more as far as Dmoz is concerned in a nutshell. If it's relevant to the exsisting category then don't give up, and you might actually perhaps consider applying to category as an editor if you are knowledgeable in the subject. You have nothing to lose and by the looks of it Dmoz could sure use you as an expert there. :)

    Ps too much manpower and angst spent on these bloody Adult orientated areas. Tobacco ? well, people lawfully smoke and buy tobacco should they so choose. Let's respect the law, surfers interested in the subject and individual adult choices shall we ? Dmoz apparently find it really important to adhere to these values elsewhere and I think the OP has been subject to an uneccessary flaming due to the subject matter of his site.
     
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    Not really, it was more due to his accusation of "suspicious and unexplained behavior" by Shopping editors combined with his habit of agressive spamming.

    Umm, yes. You didn't know we aren't required to edit categories we don't like? As long as I don't go in there and delete sites because of my bias it's perfectly ok.

    Shygirl, I've seen you get quite defensive for tiny reasons. How would you react if someone accused the editors in the midwifery category of "suspicious and unexplained behavior" and when you took a look discovered a history of agressive spamming? Would you not defend yourself?

    You're welcome to apply for permissions to edit in the tobacco category if you like. I don't believe I'm required to edit there but if you disagree, go file an abuse report. ;)
     
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    I guess you missed this post?
     
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    Doesn't everythign you just said prove that DMOZ is irrelevant as a directory? Doesn't what you just said about tobacco and your refusal to list in that category prove what I've been saying in multiple posts about how editors list sites based on whatever they darn well feel like?

    But this is supposed to be a relevant directory?

    Thanks I will use your post as a fine example for months to come :)

    Oh and P.S. I'll wait for minstrel to ask why you think that way when DMOZ allows kiddie porn.
     
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