Is the sandbox real or a myth?

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Is the sandbox real or a myth?

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  1. #1
    Is the sandbox real or a myth?
     
    homebizseo, Jul 16, 2008 IP
  2. phinelinda

    phinelinda Well-Known Member

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    #2
    It's a terminology that has evolved due to sites disappearing and re-appearing on google's index.
    The term itself is NOT REAL (not used by search engine companies), but the algorithm is as real as it gets :)
     
    phinelinda, Jul 16, 2008 IP
  3. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    At Pubcon back in 2005 Matt Cutts said "the algorithm might affect some sites, under some circumstances, in a way that a webmaster would perceive as being sandboxed."
     
    bogart, Jul 17, 2008 IP
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    nhavxor Active Member

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    Of course its real. Just ask any webmaster who just started out and i bet you can hear they complaining of the "sandbox effect" and causing many to resort to black hat SEO techniques to break out from it.
     
    nhavxor, Jul 20, 2008 IP
  5. homebizseo

    homebizseo Peon

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    Is it a sand box or are the pages so far at the back of searches that they do not register as important.
     
    homebizseo, Jul 28, 2008 IP
  6. Alby

    Alby Well-Known Member

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    IMO, and from threads i've read on other sites, the "sandbox" was brought in to get rid of spammy sites, who buy up lots of domains and try to get them listed and indexed quickly, it's similar to a time delay? Not sure but that's what i have heard..
     
    Alby, Jul 29, 2008 IP
  7. kewlchat

    kewlchat Well-Known Member

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    ive never believed in it.. but i can see how some would have the idea.
     
    kewlchat, Aug 6, 2008 IP
  8. Flobba-dob-dob

    Flobba-dob-dob Peon

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    #8
    The theory around the 'The Sandbox' is definitely acceptable, reasonable and realistic, which is why I believe it exists.
     
    Flobba-dob-dob, Aug 7, 2008 IP
  9. fromtoday

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    #9
    It's real because people keep talking about it.

    I thought the term came about when GG came up with a way to get rid of many of the scraper sites (a few years ago now)...

    What ever you want to call it - 1000's of new pages with no original content, that get 1000's of backlinks... shouldn't rank on any SE.

    If you launch a new website, that displays some of these characteristics - chances are the SE's will take time to determine if your website is a real ongoing concern... if it is, then in time they should include it in their indexes.

    Anyway - that's what I think.
     
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  10. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    The sandbox existed.

    The questions are #1) Does it still exist? #2) Was the sandbox intentionally created?
     
    bogart, Aug 7, 2008 IP
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    real in my point because its a way of cleaning the internet web space.
     
    D-Dark, Aug 7, 2008 IP
  12. SEOibiza

    SEOibiza Peon

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    pretty sure it doesnt exist any more. and if it did exist, it was probably an accidental side effect from an algo change in 2004 http://www.seo-theory.com/wordpress...ng-web-sites-design-from-the-seo-perspective/

     
    SEOibiza, Aug 8, 2008 IP
  13. SEOibiza

    SEOibiza Peon

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    #13
    lol, people talk about God, Ghosts Fairies & Demons.

    you need to reconsider this particular logic I think ;)
     
    SEOibiza, Aug 9, 2008 IP
  14. seosheen

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    The Google sandbox, of course refers to the difficulty that new sites tend to have in ranking highly in Google for competitive search terms.The Sandbox is a tricky concept to address for a couple reasons:
    1st: not all new sites seem to be affected, Of those that are, some are affected to a greater degree than others, And the time it takes to be released from the Sandbox varies from site to site (through observation indicate that Sandbox sites tend to be release in large bunches all at once, rather than one at a time
    2nd:just what determines a competitive search term varies in circumstances. In some cases, a site can't rank for any keyword that returns more than 50,000 search results. Other times it can't rank for any keyword at all. All this ambiguity has lead speculation about the nature of the Sandbox and whether or not it actually exists............
    From my experience, i can say i 've definitely seen the effects of the Sandbox on new sites. Furthermore, when you approach the idea from the search engine's point of view (SEPOV), some thing i always try to do, you see that the Sandbox makes sense as an effective spam-fighting tool...
    Hope now you clear all about Sandbox....
     
    seosheen, Aug 9, 2008 IP
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    The Google sandbox, of course refers to the difficulty that new sites tend to have in ranking highly in Google for competitive search terms.The Sandbox is a tricky concept to address for a couple reasons:
    1st: not all new sites seem to be affected, Of those that are, some are affected to a greater degree than others, And the time it takes to be released from the Sandbox varies from site to site (through observation indicate that Sandbox sites tend to be release in large bunches all at once, rather than one at a time
    2nd:just what determines a competitive search term varies in circumstances. In some cases, a site can't rank for any keyword that returns more than 50,000 search results. Other times it can't rank for any keyword at all. All this ambiguity has lead speculation about the nature of the Sandbox and whether or not it actually exists............
    From my experience, i can say i 've definitely seen the effects of the Sandbox on new sites. Furthermore, when you approach the idea from the search engine's point of view (SEPOV), some thing i always try to do, you see that the Sandbox makes sense as an effective spam-fighting tool...
    Hope now you clear all about Sandbox.
     
    seosheen, Aug 9, 2008 IP
  16. love_natasha

    love_natasha Banned

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    #16
    intresting post, always wondered what are guys talking about when they say sandbox , i thoughts its some sort of google monster eating up sites :p



    Nat
     
    love_natasha, Aug 9, 2008 IP
  17. shihtzu

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    #17
    There is no sandbox, never was ... even Matt himself never confirmed it.

    New sites simply don't rank well, because of many factors. If you're not ranking highly immediately it's mainly cause you need to work on getting quality backlinks (it seems most of you never heard that Google checks link age too). Of course new sites will suffer, it's only natural until they gain rep in the eyes of big G.

    Sandbox is a myth, invented by people so called 'seo's when they can't understand why a site is not ranking imo. Just my 2 cents :p
     
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    #18
    Sandbox exists.

    Some new sites go there to relax a bit. I got one in there, taking some 6 months holidays.
    Imagine Cancun or Miami. Yep, same thing for websites. They all party hard and get drunk before coming to work full time :D
     
    scubita, Aug 9, 2008 IP
  19. shihtzu

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    haha new sites don't relax, they are just not good enough to rank well! If you do nothing now (or during your so called '6 months'), I bet they will be relaxing for the rest of their lifetime too :D
     
    shihtzu, Aug 9, 2008 IP
  20. Steve222

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    Alas, real as can be. I have a site that appeared in Google searches within a few hours of me creating it. After 48 hours, it disappeared.

    It wasn't lowered in the ranks. Searching for it with the "site:" search function revealed that the site was no longer indexed by Google. Poof!

    That was a week ago. Still not indexed by Google. Bummer. :(
     
    Steve222, Aug 15, 2008 IP