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20 amazing facts about voting in the US

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by touchAshley, Jul 7, 2008.

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    Did you know....
    1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.
    http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold



    2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.
    http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm

    http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html



    3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.
    http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/private_company.html

    http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html



    4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml

    http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886



    5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.
    http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html

    http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/031004Fitrakis/031004fitrakis.html



    6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.
    http://www.blackboxvoting.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=26

    http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx

    http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php



    7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.
    http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm

    http://theindependent.com/stories/052700/new_hagel27.html



    8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.
    http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html

    http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html



    9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.
    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

    http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041020evotestates/pfindex.html



    10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.
    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

    http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm



    11. Diebold is based in Ohio.
    http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm



    12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.
    http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html

    http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml



    13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of Global Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in most of the United States.
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0312/S00191.htm
    http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

    http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf



    14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.
    http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

    http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf



    15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.
    http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html

    http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/26/loc_elexoh.html



    16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it! (See the movie here: http://www.bbvdocs.org/videos/baxterVPR.mov.)
    http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190



    17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml



    18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.
    http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html

    http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOut.htm

    http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html

    http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=950

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm



    19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.
    http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/local/7628725.htm

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10544-2004Oct29.html



    20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation.
    http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOut.htm

    http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/policy/story/0,10801,97614,00.html

    http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/tens_of_thousands.html

    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

    http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html

    http://uscountvotes.org/


    NOTE: Some of the data are outdated but much of it is still true. But don't take my word for it.
    Do your own research and discover the truth for yourselves.

    http://nightweed.com/printableusavotefacts.html


    "Just look at you all - you voted Buch back in, America is stupid"

    Did we, or did we not?
     
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    When will real Americans take back control of their country from the corporate elites? I still don't understand why the US Government has to borrow its own money on interest, from the Federal Reserve, for expenditure. This way, they owe so much, that most of the Personal Income Tax goes into servicing the interest on the outstanding loans...
     
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  3. touchAshley

    touchAshley Active Member

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    atvking Active Member

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    if you believe in santa claus you probably believe in democracy too...

    power is nothing that is handed over to the people just like that LOL...in the past ,for power, brother has killed brother and son has killed father...

    its very amusing to me when the pre election stick and carrot is dangled out how the candidates pretend to give 2 shits about "issues" like gay marriage and abortions...

    plato or aristoteles said thousands of years ago on democracy : the best way to silence a wise man is to give voice to many idiots...

    sure once every 4 years the big corporations and the super rich just let the poor vote on the future of the country :rolleyes: and its ALL fair and square...

    my definition of democracy: divide and rule...
     
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    Interesting facts,

    I only knew about half of them before this.
     
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    What did Stalin say about voting? +Rep awarded for the answer....
     
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    Those who cast the votes decide nothing Those who count the votes decide everything
     
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    Hagel has been one of the most outspoken critics of this administration. I don't see how he fits into the "conspiracy".
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    Obama promises change. What is your point?

    Look at the voting record, not the rhetoric.
     
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    Rhetoric can be more powerful than one vote if the rhetoric has enough attention. Hagel has been openly bashing Bush's Iraq policies for years. If he's in on a conspiracy then it's stupid to be such an outspoken opponent of the one issue that defines this presidency. Hagel is the only republican that I know of who says that congress was mislead leading up to the authorization of military force in Iraq.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    Bob Barr says the same thing. The difference is, Barr is doing something about it. He left the GOP and he is running a quixotic campaign for President that at best will be a spoiler, and at worst an educational campaign.

    Some people act on their rhetoric (see voting). Some people just talk. Hagel strikes me as a talker.
     
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    webwork Banned

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    lol America getting owned like a bad habit.

    As long as sheeple glue their heads to the TV and make permanent impressions on Lazyboy sofas, America will be in bad shape.
     
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    Stalin said, "It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." Voting is a waste of time. It like a slave asking a slavemaster to be less cruel.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    Is this yours ^^ or someone else's?
     
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    Its someone else's. I got from a blog. Its a nice analogy though.
     
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    Here is what I believe:

    The whole voting and election process is just a game and has very little to do with who gets "elected".

    The polls are there only so people will not be surprised by who "wins"

    In the long run it matters not who is president - there are many more pwerful people behind the scenes who are pulling the strings.

    The president is not much more than a scapegoat. It gives "us" someone to blame.

    Humpty Dumpty was pushed (my conspiracy theory)
     
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