Will India forfeit Kashmir to Islamic separatist movements?

"Nearly a month ago, the government of India and state government of Jammu and Kashmir reached an agreement to transfer 100 acres of forestland to the Amarnath board, the body that organises the annual Amarnath yatra.

The land was supposed to be used to build facilities for Amarnath pilgrims. Almost lakhs of pilgrims make the journey every year.

This move has been vehemently opposed by separatist groups in Kashmir.

The separatist groups say the transfer of land to the Shrine Board is part of a ''conspiracy to settle non-local Hindus in the valley with a view to reducing the Muslims to a minority''. The controversy has led to unity among the separatists - the hardline and the moderate factions of the All Party Hurriyat Conference (APHC) - have decided to carry out a joint campaign against the land transfer."

Now, let's look at some facts.

Kashmir is very much a part of India and the government has the right to do whatever it wants to. But still, when it comes to appeasing Islamic separatist movements, Indian government takes the cake.

Just think about it for a moment - According to the deal, the land will only be used to provide recreational facilities for Hindu pilgrims. No one will stay there forever. It will be used only during the pilgrimage season. Yet, the Islamic separatist movements oppose this move stating the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard in my life - "It will reduce the number of moslems in the area and they'll become a minority".

I mean, seriously WTF??

If this sorry state of affairs continues and if the Congress party stays in power for another term, rest assured - Kashmir will belong to Islamic separatist movements and it will be severed from Indian map.

And you guessed it right! No one has had the audacity to speak against this atrocity. Only the opposition party is making some noise. Otherwise, everyone is perfectly okay with this thing. The reason is simple.

A lot of Indians no longer feel that Kashmir is a part of India. The natives of the land - the Kashmiri Pandits - have been butchered mercilessly and have been driven out of their homeland. Now, Islamic separatist movements are thriving and flourishing with only one aim - to separate Kashmir from India.

And the politicians know it too. Still, they are silent. The reason is obvious. A solid vote bank. And the image of being a pseudo secular democracy.

I'm 24 now and I'm pretty convinced that unless some drastic measures are taken, Kashmir will be taken away from India within my lifetime.

Fuck the separatist movements.

 

You can blame the politicians all you want. But can you name one source which says that Muslims in India opposed giving this land to the Pilgrims? No one did. No one has any right to oppose it.

Go and protest against the government of J&K. They did it. No one asked them to. Stop blaming the minorities.

 

Oh; my minority savior. Where did I bash minorities? Could you point out? I repeatedly said "Islamic Separatist Movements", not common Moslems. I'm well informed and intelligent enough to understand that the issue is with the politicians and separatist groups, not common people.

 

Look here buddy, I understand your sentiments. I am all for giving Amarnath Yatris the land they need for pilgrimage. The politicians are playing dirty games with people on both sides. We The People should attack them with the help of Press. India has the most independent media in the whole world (I think).

But I don't really know why the alloted land was withdrawn. These are usual tactics by politicians to divide and rule. Can you tell us what the real reason was for this mess?

 

The real reason is simple. Separatist groups want to make Kashmir a theocratic state and take it away from India. Politicians want power at any cost. So, they simply dance to the tunes of such movements and fuel the animosity between Hindus and Moslems in the area.

I simply don't understand why they are so opposed to this land transfer. After all, they're not going to build a housing colony over there, are they? It's just meant for recreational facilities during pilgrimage. And the central government, oh my goodness. How poignant? No one gives a rat's ass what happens to common people. Brilliant.

 

The Congress Government has made a lot of mistakes. Just look at the inflation figures. 12% inflation, they are at a 13-year high.

The finance minister should be sacked. He is trying to peg the Indian Rupee to the US dollar, and making sure that Indian Rupee remains very weak vis-a-vis the USD. The result, extreme inflation.

I believe the issue of Land for Pilgrimage should be fought with the help of media. In the end, everything would be fine...

 

When they came to power, they boasted of three financial geniuses - P. Chidambaram, Manmohan Singh, and Montek Singh Aluwalia. And they've done absolutely nothing to curb the inflation. And I fucking hate P.Chidambaram's smug attitude. I've seen him getting interviewed a lot of times and he simply refuses to answer the allegations made on him. Or else, he quibbles with words and comes up with the same old shit - "we have huge growth, blah, blah, blah".

I wonder if they will ever realize the pains of the common man in this country??

 

Poverty is leading people towards suicide Maharastra and Andhra Pradesh. These financial geniuses, especially Chidambaram and Aluwalia, have really disappointed the masses. I was so proud a few years ago to have them lead Indian Economy to new heights. Useless. They should be reading more of Murray Rothbard, Ludvig Von Mises and Friedrich Hayek, instead of blindly copying the American Keynesian Economics System.

The bottom line is, this country has no leaders, only politicians. Changes should come from the State governments, from the local grassroot levels. Only then can there be real change.

 

Whats going on in Kashmir is not "Islamic separatist movement". Its separatist movement by Kashmiri people. Majority of Kashmiri population is muslim but Islam has nothing to do with their sepratist movement. Sure they shout 'Allah Akbar' but if this movement was by sikhs they would be shouting 'Sat Siri Akal' or if by hindus they would be shouting 'Vanday Matram'. The movement is about their "RIGHT TO CHOOSE", all they want is fair election for them to choose which country they will join. Is that really hard to do for Indian govt? Or they already knew what would be the outcome if they held a fair election.

 

Kashmiri Pundits, the natives of the land, were driven out of their homeland. Nobody raised a finger then. Now, it's not possible to even build recreational facilities for Hindus, as it's "Muslim dominated area", as the separatist movements would like to say.

Your argument has intrigued me. Just because the majority of the population is Muslim, does that mean that they have to go join Pakistan? Or does that mean that any area where the majority of the population is Muslim should be annexed to Pakistan?

Even if the majority of population is Muslim, and if they don't like being part of India, they can very well get the hell out of the country and go to Pakistan, Afghanistan, or any other country they want. We simply don't need them here. But how the fuck can they ask the state to be annexed to Pakistan?

The deal is real simple. If you don't like the country, get the hell out of here. You just don't have the rights to say that the state should be forfeited to some other country. Kashmir is a part of India and it should remain one.

 

You are looking at the Kashmir issue as it was an year old or decade old. This issue is since 1947 Partition and its roots go back to 1846. Which revolves around the main concept of Hindu Majority Areas will join India and Muslim Majority areas will join Pakistan. And some states remained independent at that time like States of Hyderabad and Berar which were forcefully merged into India (Lookup Operation Polo). The issue is People's right to choose wether they want to join Pakistan or India or want to became Independant State. IMO they should go for Independant State of their own, this way neither India nor Pakistan can taunt each other. Both countries have to sacrifice if they want peace in region.

Thing is in India & in Pakistan they both teach only the part of history which suits their Idiology. Only fraction of their population knows the whole part.

 

I do know history. Some states were indeed forcefully merged thanks to Vallabhai Patel. But the funny thing is, Kashmir is the only state which is having issues with that, to date. The other states which were forcefully merged don't have any problems now, as they know that India is a much better country than Pakistan to be a part of. The reason why Kashmir still has issues is simple. It has a lot of foreign hands. The Islamic separatist groups want to make it an Islamic state. And FYI, it is already an Islamic state, so to speak. It is a pseudo Islamic state which is governed by the dreaded Shariat Law.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/feb/09mukhtar.htm

And the Indian politicians are busy fucking around...

 

Wasn't that the whole idea behind the Independence from British Empire that Hindus get their own hindu nation and Muslims get their own Islamic nation?

Other states accept the Indian rule because their borders surrounded by India. It was the only logical choice for them.

Whats so dreaded about the Shariat Law in your opinion?

 

There is one thing people who are demanding freedom for Kashmir don't realize, that Kashmir is already free. The Kashmiris have autonomy, can elect their own leaders, do whatever business they want, travel wherever they want freely. What more freedom can one have?

There are already 150 million Muslims in India and more than 850 million Hindus, who live together as brothers. How can one part demand "independence" when there is no need for it. What do these people think will happen to the remaining Muslims in India if Kashmir is ever seceded from India? There will be a nationwide rioting and massacres on a scale people have never imagined.

Partition of India in 1947 was the biggest blunder in history. And history will never be repeated again. Kashmir is and will always remain an integral part of India.

 

If its free then why more than half a million of Indian Army deployed there? I understand the deployment at the border but why in every city and village? Local people there refers Kashmiri Govt. a Puppet Govt. You have to take election turnout in considration too. link

1947 Partition wasn't the blunder. Blunder was the way it was done. Nationalist leaders from both sides gave strick deadline of 15th aug for the partition which led things into chaos then into riots and massacres.

 

Does that mean we can drive out all the Muslims in the country to Pakistan? Is that what you're trying to say?

Shariat Law is to Islam as Manu Smriti is to Hinduism. If a Hindu government went on to implement the outdated Manu Smriti in one of its states, would you have asked the same question? FYI, Kashmir is a part of India, which is a secular country. If you want Islamic Shariat law to be implemented, you can go to Saudi Arabia and live the rest of your life peacefully there. Don't implement religious laws in a secular country.

 

Finally, a sane voice. Nice to see that there are people who actually think before they speak.

 

The rate is about 43 INR to the dollar which isn't too bad. Anything under 40 will kill the outsourcing industry. It's almost possible to find Americans to do work at the rates that firms in Delhi are charging. The dollars was 95 cents to a Euro about five years ago. The current rate is $1.60 to the Euro or a decline of 68 percent. The same decline in the dollar to INR will put the rupee at 29 to the dollar. At that point the outsourcing industry will be in a lot of pain. It's not so simple as you think.

Kasmir is not so simple too. There's a lot of issues involved.