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Why are DMOZ editors supporting Adult guidelines?

Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by minstrel, Apr 13, 2006.

  1. #1
    A lot of the problem with DMOZ is group-think, committee-problem-solving. The debate keeps going off on tangents about free speech and semantics. Anyone not in the middle of the debate has no difficulty at all seeing that DMOZ Adult operates differently from the rest of the directory and that what DMOZ Adult does is just plain wrong and a black eye for non-Adult editors. Why is it so difficult for the inner circle to figure out?

    Now, as to why we see so many editors flocking to DigitalPoint to defend the current practices and practice their Resourceless Zone brand of character assassination, bafflegab, and distraction:

    Google: DMOZ porn

    The top 6 sites are:

    Expand that search a little to get AOL DMOZ porn and the top 8 include:

     
    minstrel, Apr 13, 2006 IP
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    The answer to question about why editors support practices in adult section is quite simple:

    1) Money - Those editors that profit of these listings and continuation of abuse.

    2) Ambition - Those editors who hope to advance in DMOZ and finally edit the categories that they want, this group will support anything, no matter what.

    3) Stupidity - Those editors that are complete morons, don't know anything about Internet, jump from one position to another but these are very very few.
     
    gworld, Apr 13, 2006 IP
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    max pain Notable Member

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    I couldnt agree more with you on that Gworld, the last time I had a debate with these editors at DMOZ (in their forums), I told them all the experience I had in one speicific category and why I was best suited for the job ;) with some very good references to prove my point (both from Journo and Internet). But then the standard reply of every editor/meta is "You might be the best person in that category" but you still may not prove to be a good editor for the same (they have some kinda magical globe that always tells them they are good and we are not, even if they are a bunch of super noobs to their category).
    I am sure Minstrel, Shoemoney, Jack, Gworld and many others could make more very sensible editors ... and I think we already have the gr8est persona in DP as an editor :D . But then we need to find time to apply to DMOZ which rhymes with a big "NOSE" (of editors) :p

    Many editors in the Adult section are against changing the "rules" - they have their selfish motives behind that. Also one thing that I have observed is that even when a category (in adult section is taken down) the pages/websites still seem to find another category quite fast !!!!
     
    max pain, Apr 24, 2006 IP
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    sidjf Peon

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    Interesting. I assume you have proof that this is so with current Adult editors?
     
    sidjf, Apr 24, 2006 IP
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    max pain Notable Member

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    Can you prove it otherwise?
     
    max pain, Apr 24, 2006 IP
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    sidjf Peon

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    Sorry, that's not how it works. You made the claim, the burden of proof is on you.
     
    sidjf, Apr 24, 2006 IP
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    max pain Notable Member

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    Thanks for the rep (you dont have the power) you lose 1 when you give me one (I distinctly remember you doing such a lame thing bfore too) :D Anywayz... as for the proof..you being an editor plz do some research (or u might be having knowledge already) cuz I know whatever proof anyone shows you (ref:Gworlds thread), you'll find one excuse or the other and try to come clean ;)

    Just look at the topic of this thread -- and do u need any more proof
     
    max pain, Apr 24, 2006 IP
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    sidjf Peon

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    Meanwhile, a discussion is taking place in the ODP about changing the Adult guidelines and virtually every Adult editor is in agreement that they need to be changed...which is oddly 100% the opposite of what you claimed.

    Whenever you manage to find proof that "Many editors in the Adult section are against changing the "rules"", I'll happy to read it.

    And you're welcome for the red rep. Anytime someone makes an accusation that they can't back up with any proof at all, and which is easily proven to be false, they deserve a red rep - that's what the system is in place for. Feel free to reciprocate...if your rep can handle the loss. ;)
     
    sidjf, Apr 24, 2006 IP
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  9. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    Really? If you have all that unanimity, what's taking you all so long?
     
    minstrel, Apr 24, 2006 IP
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    sidjf Peon

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    I'll take the bait. ;)

    They're discussing the specifics of what and how, but everyone basically agrees that change is needed.

    You know by now that dmoz does not jump into things without discussing it at length first. It's one thing to say "we need change", it's another to lay out the specifics for brand new listing guidelines.

    It's been this way for years and years, a couple of months of discussion won't hurt anything at this point.
     
    sidjf, Apr 24, 2006 IP
  11. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    It's already been more than a couple of months since the issue was raised. How many victims of child sexual asault do you think there have been in that time? How many would you guess have been helped toward victimization by sites like those promoted in DMOZ Adult?

    Enjoy your discussions, sid.
     
    minstrel, Apr 24, 2006 IP
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    sidjf Peon

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    I was under the impression that max pain was referring to changing the general listing guidelines of Image_Galleries - not anything to do with the pedophilia category specifically.

    But, either way, most if not all editors agreed that the guidelines for that category need to be changed and most if not all agree that the other listing guidelines for IG need to be changed.

    He's wrong all the way around and that's all that I wanted to point out.

    If he was talking about the Pedophilia category, then my comment about time not hurting anything obviously does not apply.

    As you well know, I was one of the people in the lead of putting a rush on getting those sites out of the directory as quickly as possible. It's pathetic that you now try to spin it otherwise just so you can continue with your little game.
     
    sidjf, Apr 24, 2006 IP
  13. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    This is no game to me. Not for a moment. I have grave doubts that you can say the same, however.
     
    minstrel, Apr 24, 2006 IP
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    max pain Notable Member

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    Well if you have initiated the movement .. kudos .. to you. I appreciate that move. But Minstrel has a point there.. in all the time you spend discussing - cudnt u "quarantine" those sites.
     
    max pain, Apr 24, 2006 IP
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    compostannie Peon

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    um, are we forgetting that sidjf was the one who went out on a limb and moved all those sites to test in the first place? It's not his fault that someone at a high level moved them back.
     
    compostannie, Apr 25, 2006 IP
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    That's correct, annie. However, what sid has been doing here at DP since those events seems exactly like playing games. I don't know what he's doing at DMOZ, of course, but he's not doing DMOZ or himself or the issue any favors by what his performance here.
     
    minstrel, Apr 25, 2006 IP
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    wrmineo Peon

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    Hmm ... Minstrel as usual, hits the proverbial nail upon its head in short order, with clear, concise, on-point targeted and simplicity ....

    What's taking so long? One can only speculate, but I'd have to say at the top of the list is EGO. A few top level folks at the ODP continue their attempts at autocratic rule while the laissez-fair attitudes run amok. And just like other failed dictatorships, it's the people that suffer.
     
    wrmineo, Apr 25, 2006 IP
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    brizzie Peon

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    I almost got excited and applied for reinstatement. Then I read it again.

    virtually every Adult editor is in agreement that they need to be changed

    What does virtually every Adult editor agree needs to be changed exactly? And to what?

    Forgive my cynicism but I had two goes at cracking that nut at least and it didn't look too hopeful last time.

    As regards the length of time, this is nothing. I remember it taking over a year to agree to change the title of a single Regional sub-category. The system is slow. Sometimes that is good - decisions made in haste are not always right ones. Sometimes that is bad and a situation requires decisive action. Depending on the content of the internal discussion slow might be better than fast e.g. if some editors want to go further than what Adult editors think needs changing - best to keep the battle going.
     
    brizzie, Apr 25, 2006 IP
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    As usual they try to discuss anything but the central problem which is listing of affiliate doorway pages. The discussion about if a girl has opened her legs in one picture set 10 cm and in another one 20 cm is 2 gallery or 1 galley or if the warning page should be counted as 1 page in order to over come 1 page "site" problem doesn't solve anything.
    The new guideline is just an excuse to say that they have done something and now they need time to implant it but in the mean time, all the old abusive sites will stay listed and new ones will be added.
    The best proof that this new guideline is a toothless tiger is the fact that adult meta FULLY SUPPORTS it, do you really believe that adult editors will FULLY SUPPORT a guideline that could possibly make any change for better? ;)
     
    gworld, Apr 28, 2006 IP
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    gworld, are you always this charming in the springtime?
     
    orlady, May 4, 2006 IP