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Some Good Things to Know when Researching Competition in the SERPs

Discussion in 'Keywords' started by askbryanmiller, Jun 3, 2008.

  1. #1
    Hey Guys, I've been finding out some good stuff lately in
    my "starting from square one" niche businesses, and I
    have to tell you something that I'm finding out, and I'll
    keep ya'll posted on anything else I find.

    To some, this might seem like very basic, almost stupid
    stuff, but for those starting out, and maybe even some
    intermediate people, like me, going back to the very
    fundamentals is key.

    I was reading a report that I downloaded a while back on
    Article Marketing, and the guy said something along the
    lines of "don't look at the amount of indexed pages" as a
    sign of competition. I didn't know what he meant by that
    until I found out that I could go no higher for a certain
    keyword.

    The amount of sites IN the pages wasn't very high, only a
    couple of million, but I couldn't get past the second page! I
    thought that I needed more links. So I bookmarked more,
    but still no farther.

    Then I went to analyzing the title pages. The higher quality
    (in Google's eyes) have the entire term in the title! (Okay,
    that's a duh, but the next part was something I considered
    really interesting, so keep reading).

    So I decided to, lately, do my competition keyword
    research with the "allintitle" variable in the search engine.
    This will give me a great look at how many REAL
    competitors for that term I have.

    The numbers look a LOT lower. But I realized, then, that I
    kept staying in the same spot! I've since resigned to the
    position, but not since finding out another variable for your
    research: allinanchor.

    the "allinanchor" search help finds all of the pages with
    that particular keyword linked to that page. The number is
    also significantly lower than the "allintitle" page.

    My recommendation: when you find a keyword that you
    think is going to be easily ranked for, use these two
    variables to double check or else you're in for a while ride:
    a headache in the worst kind of way.

    Take care, and I hope that was valuable enough for anyone.
     
    askbryanmiller, Jun 3, 2008 IP
  2. placeboeffect

    placeboeffect Peon

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    #2
    This is very true. Even just doing a search for your keyword phrase in quotes will yield more accurate results and allow you to have an idea of how much effort it will take to get decent rankings.

    Matt
     
    placeboeffect, Jun 3, 2008 IP
  3. WarrenBuffett

    WarrenBuffett Peon

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    Thanks for the tip. I knew about the allintitle tag, but allinanchor is new to me.

    I suppose less than 1000 results for allintitle would generally be rather easy to get decent rank in? correct me if I am wrong. Maybe 500 results would be more realistic.

    Is there a google tag for checking keywords in the h1?
     
    WarrenBuffett, Jun 3, 2008 IP
  4. pedigreechump6

    pedigreechump6 Active Member

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    Guys I have to just say that I think you are going about judging keyword competition the wrong way. Think about it, it doesn't particularly matter how many sites there are competing for a keyword because to get to page 1 of google your only concern are those sites currently holding positions 1-10, if you can beat any of these you are sorted.

    See my latest blog post for more on the subject.
     
    pedigreechump6, Jun 5, 2008 IP
  5. Mido

    Mido Well-Known Member

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    can you explain how do you do this !
    how to search for this !
     
    Mido, Jun 5, 2008 IP
  6. askbryanmiller

    askbryanmiller Active Member

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    Mido, Hey.

    Search with the "allintitle" tag before your keywords
    (preferably surrounded by quotes) so your search query
    looks like this:

    allintitle: "keyword phrase"

    I hope this helped you out.
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    PedigreeChump,

    Anyone who reads this: Pedigree is Absolutely right.

    I did a research on a niche, and I looked at the SERPs
    and it looked rather daunting to kind of compete in. BUT,
    there is one more thing that I planned on adding
    yesterday that I found out:

    When doing all of these, make sure you check the top 10
    results' back link count. Ultimately, the greatest
    combination of getting higher in the SERPs is quality
    links, and lots of them. Quality: meaning the anchor text
    is relevant.

    So, I have one more step to add:

    First, search your keyword with allintitle: "keyword
    phrase"
    . When you find out how many pages are actually
    internally
    OPTIMIZED for your keyword, you can assess
    the search engine competition on this level.

    Place the Top 10 results in a spreadsheet, or write them
    down.

    To understand the amount of competition in the quality of
    the links department, use allinanchor: "keyword phrase".
    This will show you the pages that are externally
    optimized for your keyword. Now you can assess the link
    competition in your niche.

    Place the Top 10 of THESE results in a spreadsheet (right
    next to the others) and see if there are any similarities.
    This isn't crucial, but it is helpful to see any big players in
    your keyword.

    Now, do a regular search for your keyword phrase.

    Click the number one link, place that URL in your
    spreadsheet.

    Copy that URL, and then do a google search of
    link:http://www.theurlinyourkeyword.com and it will tell
    you, approximately how many links BACK that particular
    site has. If it has 200, that means you're going to
    generally need MORE than 200 quality links back!

    Do the same with the last result on page one to assess
    how many links are needed to at least get you on page
    number 1.

    I can't guarantee that these steps will work like a charm.
    They makes sense in theory, and I am testing them out
    all today. However, this will give you a more thorough
    look at your competitors in your keyword.

    Hope this helps!

    PS. The reason you have them all in your spreadsheet is
    so that you can see if there are any similar urls. It also
    shows you what sites are better a) optimized on their
    pages, and b) optimized off their pages for that keyword.
    This is all general, and I'll keep you posted on any
    findings.
     
    askbryanmiller, Jun 6, 2008 IP
  7. Geeurbie

    Geeurbie Peon

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    You have obviously gained some very good skills... When you get this close the next step to pushing your site to the top is fresh content. Google really likes websites that are updating and they reward this activity. Also do what you can to get your targeted keywords into anchor text links. Yea, for you... Keep up the good work.
     
    Geeurbie, Jun 7, 2008 IP
  8. askbryanmiller

    askbryanmiller Active Member

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    Hey Friends,

    I just realized something that's fairly basic, but kind of
    goes against what I said up there a little earlier. Instead
    of being lazy (like I've been doing) and just looking at
    the number 1 spot and number 10 spot, I have failed to
    realize that numbers 2 - 9 are also important.

    Let me give you an example.

    On a slightly competitive keyword (9M SERs)
    I looked at number 1. It had only 5 backlinks.
    Or so I thought.

    I decided to look at numbers 2 and 3. Number
    2 had 20 backlinks. I thought to myself,Crap!

    But then it hit me. Google doesn't ALWAYS update
    the supposed backlink count even when it registers.
    I've seen this on my own sites ranking well, but
    still not showing any backlinks.

    My recommendation: look at numbers 1 - 10 and
    then take the highest 5, average them, multiply
    by 2, and then shoot for this amount of backlinks,
    and then some.

    Thanks, Guys for all the comments!

    Peace!
     
    askbryanmiller, Jun 16, 2008 IP
  9. Geeurbie

    Geeurbie Peon

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    Are you adding fresh content? Does your website have a blog?
     
    Geeurbie, Jun 16, 2008 IP
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    askbryanmiller Active Member

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    The was a problem with a couple of my sites, but typically, the ones with a blog on the
    site did very well. Only, if they don't have enough links back, they still can only go so
    far.

    But you just sparked another experiment for me. Thanks.
     
    askbryanmiller, Jun 17, 2008 IP
  11. Mido

    Mido Well-Known Member

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    that helped alot i will do my research and come back with results :)
     
    Mido, Jun 18, 2008 IP
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    nxghosting Active Member

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    Thanks for sharing man.
     
    nxghosting, Jun 18, 2008 IP
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    Thanks for the tip...........:)
     
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    Thanks for the nice information. It has really helped to find out the exact competition for the keywords.:)
     
    Aarohiseo, Jun 23, 2008 IP
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    If you have a static website try creating a FAQ or Glossary of Terms page. These are great way to easily add fresh content.
     
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    Damn, I thought lets try this one and I think I have some work to be done on one of my sites but thanks alot for the tips. They are great.
     
    jopie33, Jun 24, 2008 IP
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    The need for fresh content is why we build our websites using WordPress.
     
    Geeurbie, Jul 12, 2008 IP
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    Thanks for sharing a great idea!
     
    Mike2010, Jan 5, 2012 IP