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Breaking All Records: USA (estimated) National Debt Just Topped $9,001,000,000,000.00

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by gemini181, Sep 12, 2007.

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  1. login

    login Notable Member

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    #61
    You are happy if only people with money can go to the doctor, says a lot about you.
    And you know that the US economy is depended on the illegal aliens, if they got sick USA would have even bigger problems.
     
    login, Sep 15, 2007 IP
  2. ReadyToGo

    ReadyToGo Peon

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    #62
    Ok, you don't seem to understand how the money creation process works.
    M1 is only a fraction of our money supply. The actual printing of money does not affect the money supply much compared to money that exist and increase only in accounts.
    Much of the money created today is not created by the public sector, but by commercial banks. That is how the fractional banking system works, by the money multiplier.

    Devaluation can occur for different reasons: demand pull, cost push, supply shock inflations, trade imbalances, budget deficits, etc.


    You seem to want it both ways: a growing economy with no inflation (and perhaps full employment?). Unfortunately, that's not possible.
     
    ReadyToGo, Sep 15, 2007 IP
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    #63

    The M3 Supply has increesed by 50% over the last 6 years. 6 trillion to 9 trillion, The dollars is down at the same time by 50% againt the Euro or a 50% devaluation of the dollar.
     
    bogart, Sep 15, 2007 IP
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    #64
    Exactly.

    So ReadyToGo if you don't have 50% more asset value, 50% more savings and a 50% increase in income during that time, then you are actually getting poorer.
     
    guerilla, Sep 15, 2007 IP
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    #65
    The U.S. government is just ridiculous... you would think they would have more common sense...
     
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    #66
    Have I just not been paying attention or have none of the candidates(even most of the ones who started last year and have since dropped out, Ron Paul's the only one I can think of) really said anything much about our debt?
     
    LogicFlux, May 26, 2008 IP
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    #67
    They will only have as much "common sense" as the American people demand. Until more voters actually start to feel the crunch and learn about things like monetary policy, the government will continue to print money like there is no tomorrow.
     
    WebdevHowto, May 26, 2008 IP
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    #68
    It's not that easy. The common reaction is that the government should do more to help but at the same time people don't want to pay more taxes. Until there is a balanced budget the problem is only going to get worse.
     
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    #69
    I agree we need a blanced budget and that people don't want to pay more taxes. I for one think we pay enough already. The problem is that instead of raising taxes to finance things like the war in Iraq, the government justs prints/borrows the money instead. That is an inflation tax, people don't see it right away. It's like the frog in boiling water anology. The frog doesn't noticed the steady increase in temperature, but eventually he is cooked!
     
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    #71
    Wow, that is so much money!!!!

    How did we get in that far??

    :S
     
    Pandemix, May 31, 2008 IP