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Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by swamiseo, Apr 10, 2008.

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  1. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #121
    Why should I even waste my time and post everything again when we have a concrete proof of your dishonesty? :rolleyes:
    If you are interested, all my previous posts are here and it is very simple to find it through advanced search. May be you should spend more time learning the useful functions in the forum and not only spend all your time on how to cheat and register multiple accounts.
    I see that you had no answer on how DMOZ "senior editors" try to threaten and/ or bribe people to stop discussion. What is the problem, you can't lie about it because any editor can see the evidence in internal forum? :rolleyes:
     
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    jimnoble Well-Known Member

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    #122
    Surreal. This sub-conversation was already off topic and gworld seems determined to take it even further OT rather than respond sensibly to queries about his claims. Giving up.
     
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    Qryztufre Prominent Member

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    #123
    The scriptlance offers for paid DMOZ listings that get completed are not enough? The fact that some editors have tens of thousands of deeplinks is not enough? The fact that there is no evidence given against the innocent editors that are let go is not enough? It's strange that every time evidence is given no one in DMOZ seems to think there is anything wrong.

    I guess paid listings through freelance sites is normal, and not corruption. I guess automating listings for deeplinks in a HUMAN edited directory is perfectly OK, even though many editors disagree with it and such a thing IS against the guidelines. I guess that firing innocent editors without proof of wrong doing is OK as well.

    Now just what kind of evidence did were you hoping for?

    Is it entirely possible that you could maybe, just once, post in a thread here without making it personal? Maybe actually even be helpful for a change?

    I'm pretty sure that editors like you are one of the main reasons that people do think there is corruption within the ODP, you certainly not not a nice person, you come across as hateful and vengeful. You make a WONDERFUL spokeman for DMOZ.

    And to the both of you. Jim, there are MANY editors that post here that have been banned for breaking the rules. That does show the virtuous nature of the editors in general does it not? And then look at members like Nebby or Mr. Jones, neither of them are very helpful, but both of them LOVE to make personal attacks.

    So, I ask again, just what kind of evidence is needed? DMOZ editors seem to prove it enough themselves.
     
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  4. nebuchadrezzar

    nebuchadrezzar Peon

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    #124
    Christopher, I can see another one of you strawman arguments building here.

    You seem to be confused what the meaning of corruption is. In the context of this discussion it is editors who misuse their positions for their own benefit. And it does happen, and such editors are removed when discovered.

    Because people disagree with you in this forum does not make them corrupt.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #125
    Yes, it is surreal that you still have the nerve to continue with this discussion. Here are some simple questions that you and anybody else reading this thread can answer with YES or NO.

    Is there a proof that you and some other DMOZ editors are dishonest and tried to manipulate the discussions by opening multiple accounts in this forum?

    If you had a business, would you give managerial position to a person with clear history of dishonesty?

    Does DMOZ senior editors try to stop the discussion about DMOZ corruption in different forums by treating and /or bribing the forum moderators? Before you decide to lie about it, don't forget that proof is in the internal forum and any editor can check it.

    Since you still haven't learned to use search (too busy opening accounts), here is some links to my previous post:

    More fun with DMOZ

    More fun with DMOZ II

    DMOZ listing price list

    These are just a few, look at my posts and you will find much more. ;)
     
    gworld, May 11, 2008 IP
  6. crowbar

    crowbar Peon

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    #126
    Here's a thought. If every single editor in the ODP was corrupt, what business would it be of yours?

    I would think you'd jump for joy, rather than complaining about it, because then you could get the sites we refuse to list into the Directory, which is your whole purpose of being here.

    I've yet to hear anyone who got listed complain about it, just the opposite, so I have to assume that those who complain by making accusations of corruption are doing so because they haven't been listed. Don't you think that position is a little contradictory?

    On the one hand you complain about rampant corruption, and yet you can't seem to get your sites listed.?

    On the face of it, that doesn't seem to indicate rampant corruption, but rampant good editing practices.
     
    crowbar, May 12, 2008 IP
  7. Qryztufre

    Qryztufre Prominent Member

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    #127
    You are correct. Though, this has NOTHING to do with me.

    You hide behind a false name here, troll members, and give misleading information (like following the guidelines is shaky advice). That does not say a lot for the integrity of DMOZ editors. If they are willing to act like you, there is a good chance of corruption.

    Anonymously is banned from here for breaking the rules, and he too hides behind another name. The fact that such an editor is willing to break the rules here does not say a lot for the integrity of the directory.

    Jim Noble at one point got banned for multiple accounts here. Again, this says a lot about the integrity of the editors within the ODP.

    Rule breaking is a part of the corruption issues within the ODP, and if sooooo many editors are willing to do it here, it stands to reason they are doing it there as well. Does this make my argument invalid somehow? I really do not think it does, but what your post shows, is that you'd rather roll this back on me... remember I quit the directory because of how they misused the guidelines and how they treated editors.

    So yeah, call me a strawman... I'm pretty sure people here can see just who is taking out their backside.
     
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    #128
    Translation: I can't argue with your examples of systematic corruption in DMOZ but why are making problem for us? Why don't you let us quietly sell the listings in DMOZ or use it to market our web sites and affiliate pages? :rolleyes:

    The answer is simple, I don't like crooks. :D
     
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    Possible Translation: The answer is simple, I don't like other crooks. ;)
     
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  10. Qryztufre

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    #130
    Putting it like that makes both gworld and dmoz a bunch of crooks.

    So I guess maybe it takes one to know one :p

    Then again, I guess maybe there is no corruption. After all, the guidelines are just that... guidelines. If the rules in place are only for looks and are not enforced or heeded, then I guess no following them is not a sign of corruption at all.

    It's clear that many editors that post outside of DMOZ care little for the rules of the communities they are posting in, so it's no real wonder they care little for the guidelines of the directory, especially if they are "just guidelines". If listings can be paid for through freelance sites like scriptlance and that is not "proof" of dmoz buying links, then an editor selling links is not corrupt.

    Child pornography links were defended. Affiliate pages have been defended, and there is a huge adult section in a directory aimed at being 'family friendly'. None of those things shine a positive light upon the directory, but all of those things are brushed under the rug, and anyone pointing them out is given personal attacks and the actions of the editors that listed such things are defended. These things too speak volumes about just what goes on in the directory...and accordingly, these things are not signs of corruption or even of anything wrong, at least by the editors that have been known to break rules. So I guess that is understandable.

    It's OK if I am called a troll for pointing these things out, as I guess such a label may fit, but am I wrong? And what does that make the people that defend such things?
     
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    #131
    I suppose the way I am collecting infractions for this thread, that practice is still well alive and kicking. :D
     
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    #132
    A little light humor doesn't hurt anything, Q, :). Nothing any of you say to me really bothers me, I'm sort of used to it. ;)

    Sometimes I play WoW, and sometimes I come back over here to check up on my friends. It's usually not much different a couple of weeks later, so it's easy to pickup where I left off, lol.
     
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