The Palestinians cutting the hand that feed them, again!

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  1. imad

    imad Peon

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    #101
    so where is the official map? which one?
     
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  2. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #102
    Actually yes it does ;)

    BTW your own map above speaks of it 'Israel occupation' as well to a degree.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #103
    it is the map of israel. blue is israel and the brown is not israel .
    you sound like trying to find a loophole but this is not a court of law.
    any way are you going to answer me or i have to ask again.
    do you like ohads map without expulsion of arabs?
    do you like IAEU it seems to be pretty close to what you wanted without expulsion of arabs?

    i was looking for an official israeli map of israel that is detailed. i will be glad to use it if you provide one.
     
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  4. imad

    imad Peon

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    #104
    not sure if you are asking me or Mia, but if it was me, I wouldn't like any solution without real independent Palestinian state.
     
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  5. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #105
    i was asking mia i have to make it clear
    i will work on you if he agrees lol
     
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  6. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #106
    Germany lost siginficant land to both Russia and Poland following WW2. The Germans denouncd Hitler,accepted the loss and moved on.

    The Palestinans quite opposite choice to be led into four wars by the Nazi El Mufti in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973. Each War the Palestinians lose more land and continue on the same path to their further ruin.

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. imad

    imad Peon

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    #107
    Palestine also lost significant land on 1948, and accepted Oslo.
     
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  8. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #108
    it comes back that there were laws agreed on to protect the civilian to prevent nazi like actions from happening .
    do you feel that the palestanians have to be forcibly removed from the occupied territory?
     
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  9. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #109
    Your missing the point that the Palestinians continued to provoke wars for the last 60 years as opossed to Germany living in peace.

    Another key issue is that the Palestinains already have a state. 76% of the original Palestine Mandate land (Trans-Jordan) was renamed Jordan in 1947. Jordan is Palestine.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #110
    dude it is about the civilians in the occupied territory call them whatever.
    what difference does it make.they go with the land call it whatever you want.
     
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  11. imad

    imad Peon

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    #111
    as long as their lands are occupied they will resist, whether it is 60 or 6000 years, Jordan is Jordan, Palestine is Palestine.
     
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  12. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #112

    That's what Hitler and El Mufti said and look what happened to the Germans and Palestinains.
     
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  13. iggysick

    iggysick Guest

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    #113
    No, you missing the point that whole civilized world don't accept Israeli occupation. Can you name countries that do accept that occupation?
    Not even Israel consider those territories as their.
     
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  14. imad

    imad Peon

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    #114
    this is not the way to connect Islam with Nazism, not by always saying:

    El Mufti - Hitler
    Hitler - El Mufti
    El Mufti - Nazi
    Nazi - El Mufti

    you need a real proof, it would be nice if we discussed it, come on, show me your proof, fine even if it was that picture, I have also some more pictures to show you.
     
    imad, Apr 29, 2008 IP
  15. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #115
    Israel is Israel and was, before islam was invented. Some of Israel's lands are still being occupied today.

    Anyone have answers to these?
     
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    #116
    Not according to the whole sane world. Can you show us any international document which says that some of Israel's land is still occupy? Anything at all?
    Btw is land in America occupied by ex-europeans that now call themselfs "americans" ? How about Australia? Can we apply your logic on them too or is it just reserved for Israel?

    Nice selective history propaganda crap. :)
    Example:in one "question" there is a claim that "they" want to kill all Jews and that if Jews give up arms and stop fighting they would be all killed and that in other "question" there's a claim about 800,000 Jews expelled from muslim countries. So how come "they" didn't killed them when "they" had a chance if "their" only goal is to kill all Jews? Hmmmmmmmmm sounds logic....
     
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  17. imad

    imad Peon

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    #117
    most of the questions on that page have been answered already, lets see:

    are you aware that even Israelis themselves admitted that they started the war?

    Did you know that Palestine's Jewish population was under 8% of the total population as of 1914?
    Are you aware that Jewish land ownership in Palestine was under 7% as of 1947?
    Are you aware that the United States of America arm twisted the arms of dozens of small nations to get their support for the partitioning of Palestine? For example, Greece and France were threatened with a foreign aid cutoff, Liberia was threatened with a rubber embargo plus Firestone Company's president threatened to revoke his company's planned expansion in Liberia, bribing several Latin American countries by hinting at the possibility that the U.S. might fund the construction of a Pan-American highway, ... etc.
    Are you aware that two US Supreme Court justices, Frank Murphy and Felix Frankfurter, contacted the Philippine's ambassador in Washington D.C. and sent telegrams to the Philippine's president, Carlos Rojas, warning that a vote against the proposed partition plan would alienate millions of Americans. Ten senators also cabled Rojas
    Are you aware that the Jewish Agency budgeted a million dollars for its own bribery campaign? The money allocation appeared in the Jewish Agency's budget as "irregular political activity."
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    Are you aware that in March 1948 the United States, along with China and France, was withdrawing from its earlier commitments to partition Palestine, and was pressing for "trusteeship" - an extension of Great Power rule- in Palestine beyond May 15th, 1948? (Benny Morris, p. 61) And on March 19th, 1948, Ben-Gurion responded to the idea of UN trusteeship in a press conference in Tel-Aviv with as follows:

    "It is we who will decide the fate of Palestine. We cannot agree to any sort of Trusteeship, permanent or temporary. The Jewish State exists because we defend it." (Israel: A History, p. 165)


    are you aware that Iran is not an Arab country? (oh right he meant Muslim country) are you aware that there are Jews still live there who do not like Israel? were you aware that Lebanon president is Christian, so was the Iraqi vice president? and many others?

    nope, the complaint is not over the fence, they can build 100 walls on Israeli land, or even on borders, or even close to the borders, are you aware that the so-called wall, eats big % of the Palestinian land?

    I am concerned about occupation, and human rights, why do not Americans give up 1 state of their 51 states to Israelis? or Red Indians?
     
    imad, Apr 29, 2008 IP
  18. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #118

    Hitler and the Mufti, Grand Mufti, Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6OK1Pi3xV8&feature=related
     
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  19. imad

    imad Peon

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    #119
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    Joseph Ratzinger saluting Hitler, Pope, Benedict XVI

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    Hitler's Pope being saluted by Nazi soldier

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    Pope Pius XII meeting with German leaders

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    Roman Catholic Priests giving the Hitler salute at a Catholic youth rally in the Berlin-Neukolln stadium in August 1933
     
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  20. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #120
    El Mufti was a wanted war crimminal by the Nurenburg Court responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 Jews.
     
    bogart, Apr 29, 2008 IP