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The movie of Geert Wilders, what to expect of it and what do you fear?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by ajaxrdam, Mar 9, 2008.

  1. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

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    #61
    LiveLeak getting rid of the film with a very public and powerful statement did more to expose Islam than any movie would have done.

    Movies are "fake." Approximations of reality at best. They can be dismissed as exagerations.

    What happened to LiveLeak is undeniably real and will be witnessed by millions.

    Here in the US if you make death threats you go to jail.

    If any death threats were made from European citizens there should be a very public trial.

    If no effort is made to find and prosecute the people making threats then I would agree with you.
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    #62
    Thank you islam. For exposing yourself as violent, intolerance barbarians once again.

    Do you think that any time this movie is removed by video sites it is done out of respect? Or is it done out of fear? Is that what you want? To get your own way through intimidation and death threats?

    Do you see it as a victory that LiveLeak removed the movie because of fears it has over the lives of it's staff?

    It's ironic that LiveLeak's reason for removing the video was for the exact thing the movie was exposing.
     
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  3. cientificoloco

    cientificoloco Well-Known Member

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    #63
    you don't say 'thank you' when somebody gives out his money with a gun on his head

    btw, the movie is still on youtube
     
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  4. Rankhyips

    Rankhyips Banned

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    #64
    Death threats are unacceptable and should be severely punished. Having the right to criticize anything should be allowed. Those are two entirely different things and your reasoning doesn't add up. Period.

    It never ceases to amaze me when a certain criticism seems correct, it gets banned. Here in Belgium you go to jail if you deny the holocaust while it was a gross exaggeration in order to get the Stolen Holy Land of Israel. (Great. I'm breaking the law.)

    As a landlord, you can get sued and even jailed for refusing to rent your property to a Muslim. You can go in jail if you say anything bad about them, including having some sensible criticism about the fact that they can get a loan from the bank to buy a house in our countries at extremely, dishonest conditions compared to us, who work. Basically, they can get a loan of €150,000 and pay the bank +/- €150 per month. If a house has 4 rooms, they rent each room at €500. Why work if our corrupt government lets them make money so easily? And of course the "Arabic telephone" works fast, which increases the European colonization even faster (because our leaders WANT this to happen! Part of the One World Agenda.).

    We are forced to hupla-hupla the Muslim-community. 20 days per month I hear the propaganda-brainwash-machine called 'news' that they are the victims and we our the bad guys, while our continent is getting colonized in front of our eyes, while our cities become unlivable and if you resist, they lock you up. Socialism in short.

    I think we can expect that saying 911 was an inside job, will become suable. Actually, thanks to Slavery Act I & II, there have already been Americans who received unpleasant visits from the Big Brother-team, just because they told someone they shouldn't have trusted what they think about the event.
     
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  5. ThraXed

    ThraXed Peon

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    #65
    Is this your view?
     
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  6. Rankhyips

    Rankhyips Banned

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    #66
    Prove me that there were 6 million killed and I'll believe you. Problem is that you're not allowed to dig deeper, the White Yellow Cross Foundation has some interesting documents about the real number of casualties, in '39 there were 15 million Jews around the globe while in '45 there were 15.5 million Jews and we ought to know who controls the world, therefore controls history and world events.
    Anything you're not allowed to say, bears a lot of truth.

    But not a word about the 60 million Europeans who got killed during WWII. The same applies to the holocaust (a real one that is) against the native Americans. A thunderstorming silence.
    The same is happening with Palestinians and Iraqis today. While American victims reached 4,000, just about everyone and his neighbor felt bad about it and many forum threads were created about the subject, yet deadly Iraqi victims is believed to be "something between 150,000 and 600,000", but who cares?
     
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  7. ThraXed

    ThraXed Peon

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    #67
    If Gert Wilders film was about Jews and not Muslims he would of made headlines all across the world and been assassinated by Mossad already, there would be an outcry of anti semetism. The hypocrisy with the media and general public is quite sad.
     
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    Rankhyips Banned

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    #68
    While I entirely agree with that statement, it's not unimportant to know that Geert Wilders has close ties with Israel and I suspect him of being a mossad agent (no evidence). The movie is most probably sponsored by his Israeli friends, in an attempt to destabilize Europe, which will occur one day with or without movie or cartoons.
    He has an agenda supported by people who control the world (who brought the Muslims to Europe to eventually make them fight with us. Time will tell.). That's why I don't like Wilders.

    I, for one, would certainly welcome a movie, made by Muslims, about the Talmud, including quotes. It would make the Koran and Wilder's movie look like reading verses of The Pet Goat.
     
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  9. ajaxrdam

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    #69
    It's funny that you say that because there might be an other reason why Wilders is anti-muslim...
    It is because he loves the country Israel.
    There are rumors that he has contacts within the Mossad and the suspicion that he asked question's in the dutch Tweede Kamer on behalf of the Israelian Embassy.
     
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    #70
    You must be out of your mind... Muslims love and respect Prophet Moses. There is no question of criticism.
     
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    #71
    There are double standards of freedom of speech across the EU.

    You can't mention the holocaust yet it is ok to insult other religions.....both Christianity and Islam.

    For example, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving) David Irving was called racist just for questioning the numbers involved in the holocaust.

    It seems you can't question the holocaust one bit in EU without being attacked on all sides by the media, the courts and the brainwashed public.
     
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    #72
    yup, just few days ago...



    source
     
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  13. KalvinB

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    #73
    Slander/Libel is not protected speech. Anywhere.
     
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    #74
    Then I guess suicide bombing is also a myth? :rolleyes:
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    #75
    So what are you saying, What's your point? Is it that there should be no freedom of expression or is it that if people want to make films about islam you should be able to deny the holocaust?
     
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    #76
    No, he's just pointing out the hypocrisy.
     
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    #77
    So how should we resolve the hypocrisy? To do away with freedom of expression all together or to allow films denying the holocaust?
     
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    #78
    Allow the films I think, more freedom of speech the better.

    But I think when people make movies like it there must be dialogue to solve the issue, like Wilders was offered to air his film on a Muslim TV channel if he would debate after it for answers but he said no.
     
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    #79
    Of course. I am against the laws preventing people from denying the holocaust. I think people who hold these views are wrong and i have strong evidence contrary to what they claim, But it shouldn't be illegal to be wrong and it shouldn't be illegal to be a moron.

    So it's freedom of speech on islams terms? We can criticise them as long as afterwards we are put in a room with 250 of them?

    It wasn't dialogue that the TV channel wanted, It was the opportunity to shout him down.

    And seriously.... Can you blame him for not wanting to spend time surrounded by people against the film? The guy has a fatwa out on him.
     
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    #80
    Not on Islams turns, but if there is a controversial movie such as the Holocaust denial or Fitna, there should be a debate regulated by people who are neutral on the situation and it can be settled., like a court of law type thing.

    The Quran dosen't teach people to kill non believers, Wilders knew that, but he just dosen't like how there are Muslims coming to the netherlands and europe. He shares the same views of the Brick lane and Brixton bomber in london.
     
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