A Call not to View "Fitna"

Too late, I already saw it. It is just hype. What you see in the video is essentially the same thing you can find by spending a few minutes on youtube.

 

That was precisely my view on Google showing illustrations of the Muslim prophet which upset a lot of people.

Good call. We may not all agree on religion or other matters, but that isn't an excuse to antagonize one another. It is possible for people of different perspectives to co-exist where there is respect and tolerance.

 

Honestly speaking this "particular" freedom of speech act by those few guys is hurting alot of people and that is what their motive is.

 

Given that fundamental muslims have threatened to kill LiveLeak staff forcing them to remove the film and moderate muslims are seeing it as a victory how much "respect" should be given to them?

We have a lot of disrespecting to do before it even comes close to being "mutual".

 

Wisdom, well said. I haven't seen it, and don't plan to, actually.

What you said was exactly right. We can exercise free speech by supporting something, or not supporting something.

In the case of a film, to support it is to see it, and to tell others to see it. To not support it is to not see it, and to advocate to others not to see it.

This is completely different from the Wikipedia issue, of course. In that case, people were not simply clicking away from the page they found offensive, and were not advocating to others not to view the webpage in question, but were actually advocating that Wiki censor its private material in response to their particular sensibility.

Since it was raised in this thread, to compare it to this issue, and your proper response based on your sensibility: The right thing would have been for those opposing these historical representations of the Prophet of Islam to click to another page, to let others know their opinion, and to urge others not to view the page; it wasn't proper to pressure Wiki to strip material, to censor its own private property, in response to their personal view.

Such a view cannot be construed except as a view supporting the imposing of limitations on what others do with their own points of view. Which is why I, for one, opposed it.

Nicely done, Wisdom.

 

So moderate muslims aren't celebrating liveleaks decision to pull the movie?

 

NPT, I think I should add what I found on Wikipedia:

On March 22, the Dutch Muslim Broadcasting Association (NMO) offered to air the film if they could preview the film for any possible illegal material and Wilders would take part in a debate after the airing with proponents and opponents. Wilders declined, saying "No way, NMO."

I think this proves Wilders knows he only wanted to take verses out of context and smear Muslims in accordance to his xenophobic views, he isn't interested in finding answers, only interested in becoming famous. Otherwise he would have accepted the debate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_(film)

 

Moderate Muslim is a funny term, it's like calling yourself a moderate citizen bc there are criminals in the society.

 

Thraxed, the link you have led me to a dead end on Wiki - nothing there. Not sure what happened.

I actually don't know much about this film, but from what I've read, I don't want to. Looks to me like more scripted polemic. If the videos of young children describing Jews as pigs, etc., is an inhuman tragedy, so is this film, in my opinion - I long ago concluded that the assholes murdering in the name of your faith do not represent Islam itself and Muslims generally, so the film says nothing new.

Personally, I think the best response is what Wisdom is advocating - forgo seeing it, tell others your opinion. I do remember something from the '60's (I'm that old)...something along the line of "imagine if they called a war and no one showed up." Something like that here.

 

Sorry, you have to add an extra ' ) ' at the end as it dosen't include it in the link.

 

That's a good point, Leo. I don't know - it's just a sad world. I hope for the day when we all see each other for what we are, and not the host of associations that have unfortunately come to be a part of our landscape.

 

I don't see how anyone can hold this view when the quran implicitly justifies what these "assholes" are doing in the name of islam.

All religious people cherry pick what bits they want to believe, So any muslims who don't condone killing, erm, well done.... But let's not pretend that it isn't in the book.

 

It isn't St0x, read the book from front to back then make accusatons. I'm sure everyone here could easily refute your claims with evidence.

 

I agree with you wisdomtool.
No one should watch these movies that look to make a quick buck from the bleeding cultural and religious wounds that exist in our society.

I won't be watching this one.

 

Come on ThraXed, You aren't going to sit there and tell such blatant lies and expect people to take you seriously are you?

 

Show me the verse you're talking about and you will get a fair rebuttal with evidence then you can make your own mind up.

 

Haha ....... logic ....... brains .... humanity ...... interfere with robotically carrying out what's written in the book.

It's a very old book and back then war and killing enemies and such types of stuff was common.
Times have changed somewhat