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Goodbye Google Pagerank

Discussion in 'Google' started by choice, Mar 26, 2008.

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  1. chaitanya.seo

    chaitanya.seo Banned

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    #21
    Every one knows PR is Meaningless, its o.k. fine.
    But when PR update comes and one of your site get PR 3 to PR 6.
    At that time you are being the one to post here, i got this much PR and being delighted and one who lost PR comes here and cry for the same.
    If PR is not at all important than why this discussion?
     
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    TheSyndicate Prominent Member

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    #22
    well they should scap it then if it was no point but they do not.
     
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    ardley216 Peon

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    #24
    if its worthless hwy do we all try to get a good PR and link to good PR sites?
     
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  5. jackpage

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    #25
    The thing that people seem to miss is that just because you've got a PR6 site, that doesn't mean it's necessarily pulling any kind of decent traffic. How's it ranking in the SERPs for keywords? Is it getting traffic from links on other sites? Type-in traffic? Is the traffic earning you money if that's what you're after?

    You can have a PR5 site and still get crap traffic to it. That's why people tend to denounce PR, because PR in itself doesn't give you anything. It's all the other stuff you do that gives you actual results. As I mentioned before, people have this idea in their heads that if they look at their website one day and it's suddenly got a PR5, they can just log into Google Analytics or whatever stats program they're using and suddenly see this mass influx of traffic. Problem is, they won't. All they've got is a number 5 that doesn't give them anything. Yay. It's the equivalent of being given a tie for your birthday.

    The only number that's important is the number of people actually coming into your site. That's the number you want to increase, the number you should be working for, and the only number that should mean anything to you. PR is just a pretty useless decoration in the end. Sure, it'll probably get higher as you do all the other stuff you're supposed to be doing, but it's not going to actually DO anything for you. Building backlinks, doing good SEO, getting your site some recognition - that'll do something for you. That'll actually bring people to your site.
     
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  6. Codythebest

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    #26
    My new site went PR3 after one week of existence, without any backlinks. It had 3 uniques/day. Now, after one year, it is PR2, few backlinks but 200 uniques/day.
    PR is meaningless, I don't want to improve my PR and I couldn't care less about it..
    What's important to me is the revenue, nit the PR
     
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  7. 1websitedesign

    1websitedesign Banned

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    #27
    i do know that backlinks make difference and page rank is also important.
     
    1websitedesign, Mar 27, 2008 IP
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    #28
    The problem is PR may be meaningless for you but it still matters for Google's Search Results for other people

    People other than webmasters always feel that Larry and Sergery has written a out of the world algorithm that's why they are the best

    But we know that PR is useless and also Search Results which can be easily manipulated...but other people still believe that Google is the best and their Search Results are the exact one but in real they are 50% way of the target..
     
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    #29
    another kid shouting something which has been repeated tons of times...
     
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    #30
    bwaaaa ha ha ha ha ha..... Shady yer a fishing hoot bro....

    One thing that is uber fishing common around here is the confusion with ToolBar PageRank and actual internal PR.

    Saying PR doesn't matter is about the dumbest thing anyone that understands indexing and retrieval could ever say... it is THE CORE of the Google ranking mechanism.

    Is it the totality? Certainly not as there some 200 other factors (layered methodolgogies, dampeners, filters) that are also in play. But to spread SEO FUD by playing the 'PR Sucks' card is irresponsible in TOTALLY wrong.

    Like Shady said, go for it. While you're looking at the oft updated, manually manipulated ToolBar PR... the rest of us are actually doing SEO...

    Now, do I believe that a nodal based random crawl algorithm is the best way to go about things? Not entirely sure... I do know that TBPR is a useless metric and mistaking that for actual PageRank is not a good idea...
     
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    scoobby Active Member

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    #31

    You should spent more time in this forum reading some threads about seps,pagerank,seo,and many more to understand how many mistake have you done in your post rather than starting a post and say to others read the fool article:eek:
     
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  12. Codythebest

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    #32
    I agree...
     
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    #33
    pr is worthless, but I'm glad all my sites have some ;)
     
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    #34
    You mean TOOLBAR PAGERANK?????

    Because saying PageRank is worthless is like saying link building is useless... because that is what it is...based on interlinking of pages and a probabilistic model of a random crawl....

    Does ANYONE here know a damn thing about search engineering and the processes if indexing and retrieval?

    These satements are nearly laughable IMHO...

    Yes, TBPR is all but useless as a metric for measuring an SEO campaign... but understanding PR is certainly the cornerstone of ranking in Google....

    Ok... so why not say LINK BUILDING IS USELESS..... anyone care to make that statement?
     
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    #35
    Link building is traffic building: 1 link = 1 unique/year average = worthless
     
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    #36

    i couldt agree more!
    Come on people read or make a research see how many factors are determnite for actual pr not outdated tool bar pr is calculate and then see that pr is the one that make you climb the serps.
    So see it that way Serps are important because they bring traffic,traffic is what we want all,right?So if i see a site of mine have a pr5 next update i can know that my site(depends on the competition of my niche)have first page placement in G serps before 2 months and if i still continue to do the things corect will remain like this(not pr5,but first page on G serps.)
     
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    #37
    SERP is on keywords, not on PR
    There are lower PR sites higher on SERP than higher PR depending on keywords..
     
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    #38
    Only good SERP matters to me. Thanks for the info though. :)

     
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    #39
    If PR is not important then whats the difference between sites
    PR O and PR 9 ?

    People discuss something here and act otherwise
     
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    scoobby Active Member

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    #40
    Its obvous you didnt understand what i told but anyway it is a long discusion.
    cheers.
     
    scoobby, Mar 27, 2008 IP
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