Selling Tobacco Pipes & Acessories Online?

I made this site - www.bluntsbongsandbeyond.com - and I am wondering if my legal disclaimer when you go to the site is enough to cover my butt if any legal problems arise?

Do I need anything else? Do I need a tobacco retail lincense if I am not not selling actual tobacco, just smoking acessories?

Thanks guys,

Josh

 

Are you in the US? If so you're nuts, your site is totally ILLEGAL.

Good luck with it, your only chance would be staying under the radar.

 

A blunt is not an tobacco product. I think you are crazy to include any reference to pot smoking. This is FBI / CIA territory and they will not play with you. They will take you out fast. Yes, we know no tobacco smoker isn't going to smoke out of a 10" Tall Glass Waterpipe, but I wouldn't have a domain or any reference to pot smoking in connection with it if your in the US.

 

Actually a true 'blunt' is in fact a tobacco product and made out of tobacco, needing the same tax stamps and regulations as tobacco itself.

The worse part of it however is 'bong' in the domain, 'bong' in the descriptions. Even if he used all technical terms and didn't use any drug culture terms the dea has already done round ups online.

It is simply insane to think it's a 'safe' or 'legal' venture.

 

You can have a tobacco bong, and a tobacco blunt. I would find a site that sells this stuff and copy their disclaimer.

 

In the US? You obviously have never looked into federal law, or operation pipe dreams.

 

Care to provide some facts?

I have been to a show/convention here in Phoenix called the Bong show, and what do you know, they sold bongs, could they have done this if it was illegal? No.

You can say Bongs and Blunts, it is perfectly legal if they are intended for tobacco purposes, which they are.

 

State level is a bit different than federal. Once you ship over state lines you open yourself up to feds, even still the feds can and do clamp down on state run operations.

Search operation pipe dreams....

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2003/February/03_crm_106.htm

Here you go, just one 'crack down'

 

I am not selling drug paraphernalia, I am selling tobacco pipes and acessories.

According to Arizona law, even "water pipes" can be considered drug paraphernalia, that is only if they are to be used for drugs, which mine are not.

EDIT - I just read some more into AZ law, it is legal to sell water pipes and bongs, as long as they are not intended for illegal purposes.

 

What do you not get about state versus federal law?
The net used to have tons of pipe stores

Many of those who went down sold for 'cough' 'tobacco use' only. In fact I don't think any of the claimed to be sold for weed. They definitely did not use drug related terms such as 'bong'

 

You still have not shown me anything in regards to federal laws that states you can't say bong.

All the items that would be considered "bongs" will be listed as water pipes. The URL has nothing to do with what I am selling. I could start a site called tshirts.com and sell pants, is that illegal?

And honestly, Who would be dumb enough to claim their tobacco pipes were for illegal use.

 

I see what your saying about not having as many sites about pipe selling, but bong can be tobacco bong, as well, so IMO "bong" doesn't really make a difference.

Besides this company, http://www.herbal-smoke-shop.com/
is from Arizona, they are doing fine.

 

Did you even read the operation pipe dream?

As far as 'who wold be dumb enough' good point, they weren't yet by federal law they still went down.

Never heard of Tommy Chong going down?

They are not selling 'bongs' claiming they are 'bongs' now are they?

Just because they are doing fine atm does not say they will be in the future. Those who were doing fine during operation pipe dream were doing fine for years, in fact it was about that time herbal smoke shop came to be what it is today as it's competition was put under.

 

Yes, I read it, it said the items were intended for illegal purposes, and like I already said, mine are not.

 

LOL.

Those people who got busted also claimed they were not. It is the FEDS who determine what is for illegal use and NOT you, do you not understand this.

You are just wanting to be busted.



I wont say how but trust me when I know for a fucking fact what you wish to do is ILLEGAL!

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/csa/863.htm#d

 

Why should someone else decide what the intended purpose of my products is? It is perfectly legal to sell tobacco products online, is it not?

Until you provide some actual evidence or facts, everything you say is pure bullshit.

Tell me, how exactly do you know this is illegal? If it's soo illegal, how is there thousands of websites selling these EXACT same products?!

Did you even read?

My products are not intended to be used for illegal purposes such as these, so it is not drug paraphernalia. Do you not get that?

 

Contact an attorney buddy, it's your court date.

Thousands of websites hey? After the last busts about the only sites selling them were from OUTSIDE of the US. Since then sites have been reopening, guess what? Those sites are being investigated and will fall during the next busts.

Actual evidence or facts? You don't want those, I showed you a link to a huge bust of sites that were not nearly as bad as yours 'bongs' oh my god give me a break. Nice forum to, with 'smoking the good shit' and 'chronic420' you are just setting yourself up to be BUSTED.

When it comes to drug parephernalia YOU do not get to decide it's intended use, the feds do with how it's advertised, what it's called, your customers the item and it's design and so much more.

No matter what I say or show you though it's obvious you'll say 'oh show me something'



Guess what, there are sites selling child porn, selling steroids, selling prescription diet pills online. Guess with your logic that makes them 'legal' hey?

 

You have yet to provide me with ANYTHING that supports your claims, keep trying buddy.

There are thousands of sites BASED in the USA that manufacter and sell these products, try a simple google search.

 

Scroll down on their front page and their address is given as
GLE, Inc
Box 111 325 East Jimmie Leeds Rd, Suite # 7
Galloway, NJ 08205

Last I heard, NJ is still back east. Good thing for them that they aren't in AZ, because the authorities here are really cracking down on this stuff. Didn't you see the recent news stories where Sheriff Joe was arresting merchants selling (legal) cigarettes to underaged buyers? If Arpaio is going after people selling Marlboros, what do you think your chances will be for avoiding detection and Tent City?