Mexican army battles drug gang on U.S. border: Battle of the Rio Brava

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by bogart, Jan 8, 2008.

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    The Mexican Army fought a pitched battle today against 20 armed insurgents after being attacked with grenades on Rio Bravo, across the border from McAllen, Texas.

    It's time to move the US Army to the border and the US to take control of it's own border.

    The Mexicans scream bloody murder about unarmed National Guard troop deployments to the border but the Mexican Army is on the Mexican side of the border and they are losing control.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080107/us_nm/mexico_drugs_dc
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    Personally I'd be for 'if the Mexican government does not fix shit' taking control of a few mile zone using it as a buffer zone, using this buffer zone for our military to train and at the same time patrol the border ;)
     
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    The problem with Mexico is that it's a one way street. We give and they take. Mexico has gotten 1) 1977 Carter Amnesty 2) Regean 1987 Amnesty 3) NFTA 1992

    However, it would be a big mistake to violate Mexican Sovereignty. Not to mention the fact that a 3 mile buffer zone into Mexico will bring Juarez and Tijuana into the US with 5 million more illegals.
     
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    Ahh but my buffer zone does not invision any resident living in that zone currently coming our way ;) It's not so much as violating their sovereignty as it is dealing with a problem that they continue to ignore.
     
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    We don't really need a buffer zone just a wall and troops behind it.

    Most of the border is desert and there is plenty of space on the US side.

    Once we put up a wall and they can't the mexicans get get across anymore maybe they will listen to reason.
     
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    Problem with that is it would be taking US citizen land which I would not support.
     
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    20 armed insurgents is really nothing for an army even if the army is 3rd world standard and equipment. A normal platoon can take care of them fast. Problem is whether Mexico really wants to get rid of those drug gangs or not. Drugs is a lot of money and this money is what keeps Mexico economy afloat.
     
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    That's just one group. There's thousand and they are heavily armed and right on the US border.

    Approx. 1 million illegals cross the border per year and the going rate is $7,000 USD each from a coyete.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    Thousands will be difficult. I had been in the army, so basically the issue with most armies are that they do not lack weapons or men, what they lack is the proper logistics and coordination among the units. No good proper communications. That's why I was really awed during the 1st Gulf War, not at the USA weapons, but rather their logistics capability, to be able to coordinate so many troops in so short a time and to launch their operations so cohesively.
     
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    We are spread too thin across the world, and now we can't even defend our borders while we defend the borders of other foreign nations, this is ridiculous.
     
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    We have the troops to defend the border but not the political will.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    Right! If USA were to attack Mexico, it would be seen as a superpower bullying a small neighbor. Chavez would be most glad as he can then rally South America against USA. You will then have a North South division. Not a wise thing to do, but USA can resort to political and economical pressures a bit to make Mexico toe the lines.

     
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    It's not like that. The US has the NAFTA economic treaty with both Mexico and Canada.

    The issue is that Mexico wants to do what they want and responds to any US attempt to secure the border with anti-gringo rethoric.

    The Mexican Army is on the Mexican border and it's a crime to illegally cross into Mexico.

    Why can the US extert is sovereignty on it's own border?
     
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    We don't even really need a wall in my opinion, the wall should consist of helicopters / troops not chainlink and/or barbed wire.
     
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    Sounds reasonable, was this your idea or did you hear it somewhere else?

    Being a buffer and military training zone.. hmmm... the downside would be the ability to target our military if not set up properly.
     
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    I didn't hear of it elsewhere but I'm sure someone else has thought of it before ;)

    Yeah it could be an easy way to hit our guys, but I would hope it would be HEAVILY defended, fence/wall, anti missile defenses, etc.
     
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    #18
    A buffer zone I don't think would really work. Has anyone been to the border? I have, and there probably isn't a few miles without any houses. Really, if you're that close it is almost like you are in mexico. All the wal-mart workers speak spanish, etc.
     
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    Yes I understand houses 'now' are that close, the buffer zone though would remove them.
     
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    That is only in the large city areas, there is plenty of border without.
     
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