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Who else thinks this guy should be strung up?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by GRIM, Jan 6, 2008.

  1. #1
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22525923/

    Granted he is a US citizen so I'll still support his right to constitutional protections, I don't care how much of a scum bag you are, if you're a citizen you deserve them. This guy however is about as low as you possibly can be, love the president or hate him, this simply makes me sick.


     
    GRIM, Jan 6, 2008 IP
  2. northpointaiki

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    I see him as an enemy, like any other enemy urging the death of Americans, and as such is not to be afforded constitutional protections. He and his brethren want nothing but our end, as a people, and if he were in my sights, I'd squeeze the trigger myself. The problem is, I think, we continue to create conditions propitious for them to gain an ear.
     
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    So would i,unfortunately some sick individuals condone the death of the president http://www.killbush.net/index.php?art=99
     
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    The corporate media has been promoting this sort of propaganda forever, why pay attention to it anymore. They WILL abolish the Constitution eventually, get ready to it
     
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  5. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    I hear you, I just am solid in my belief no matter how much of a monster you are, if you're a citizen you deserve at bare minimum constitutional protections. I do not see that as a protection from being shot on the battle field however ;) Only if for example he is caught, it would be how he's brought to justice.
     
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    bogart Notable Member

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    "Gadahn is the first American to be charged with treason since the World War II-era."

    The US needs to try more people for treason in these cases. There's hundreds of Americans that are involved with Al Qaida and only get a slap on the wrist.

    John Walker Lindh, the American taliban, was catured with the taliban in Afghanistan an AK47 and two hand grenades and setenced to 20 years.
     
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    bogart Notable Member

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    The US constitution has a provision for trying him with treason which is punishable by death.
     
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    lpstong Notable Member

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    I was going to ask where he lives now. But read through the remaining article and found out where. Apparently they think he is in Pakistan - Oh how I am not suprised. But anyways, I didnt realise that he/Gudahn was the 1st American to be charged with treason since WW2
     
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    The American al-Qaida militant Adam Gadahn was raised in California and is Jewish.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    While I do agree more could be charged, it is a very slippery slope to start charging more. Where will the government draw the line on who they charge with treason, will it be anyone who argues against them?

    Same reason I am not for stripping constitutional rights away from a citizen, even in this case. What happens if the government starts charging thousands, unjustly with treason, when the treason label is applied and your constitutional protections are gone, am I the only one who sees how much of a disaster this could be? Exactly what our founding fathers did their damnest to prevent.
     
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    bogart Notable Member

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    Section 3 of the US Constition states that:

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
     
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    I agree with you - and I don't know - but at what point does one relinquish citizenship by words or actions?
     
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    The question is did he relinquish his US citizenship? And if so, and I am not sure if he did it before or after he was charged with treason,
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    Which is much of where I draw my stance on the issue. Plus you know how well the government loves to twist and step over the constitution ;)
    IMHO 'not legally' just my honest opinion, I don't think citizenship is something that can be just taken away or given up.
    See above for my opinion of the matter ;)
     
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    Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as amended, states that U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they perform certain acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Briefly stated, these acts include:

    (1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);

    (2) taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration to a foreign state or its political subdivisions (Sec. 349 (a) (2) INA);

    (3) entering or serving in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or serving as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer in the armed forces of a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (3) INA);

    (4) accepting employment with a foreign government if (a) one has the nationality of that foreign state or (b) a declaration of allegiance is required in accepting the position (Sec. 349 (a) (4) INA);

    (5) formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. consular officer outside the United States (sec. 349 (a) (5) INA);

    (6) formally renouncing U.S. citizenship within the U.S. (but only "in time of war") (Sec. 349 (a) (6) INA);

    (7) conviction for an act of treason (Sec. 349 (a) (7) INA).

    http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    Yes laws passed that are not included in the constitution ;)

    As I said IMHO, not 'legally' my opinion comes from what I feel the constitution stands for and not silly laws passed afterwards :p
     
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    Agreed, he should be executed, or put in Gitmo at the very least, then these dumbed down westerners can feel sorry for him & blame the harsh government for his downfall & best of all if he gets out of gitmo then he could bomb something & still get sympathy from idiots, as they will claim "it's probably revenge for being locked up, wouldn't you if you were innocent?"


    :D
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    He should be put away in jail for good with no parole until he gets back a semblance of his sanity back. He speaks like this and yet he is using america to support him and his twisted views. Islamic fundamentalists basic view is that they want teh whole world to be islamic. That is what would truely make them happy. It goes way beyond what we are doing there. We should be against any kind of extremist view.
     
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    I don't think he is Jewish. One of his four grandparents is Jewish, but I do not think he was raised Jewish, nor did his parents practice Judaism during his lifetime.

    In fact from Wiki:

    "Gadahn's father, originally Phil Pearlman, grew up in Orange County, California. He was involved in the counterculture movement at the University of California at Irvine, and before Adam's birth became a self-styled religious Christian. He and his wife Jennifer changed their name to Gadahan, after the Biblical warrior Gid’on or Gideon"
     
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    Some nut said something stupid and look at you people, having a competition to see who can overreact the most. get over it.
     
    stOx, Jan 6, 2008 IP