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It is said that ' it would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle then a rich man to pass the gates of heaven'

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It is said that ' it would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle then a rich man to pass the gates of heaven'
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Originally Matthew 19:24, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

But later modified by Muhammad for Al-Araf 7:40, "To those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance, no opening will there be of the gates of heaven, nor will they enter the garden, until the camel can pass through the eye of the needle: Such is Our reward for those in sin."

Uncle Mo' sure was intense about obedience to authoritarianism.

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Is it not true that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has copied the Qurâ€™an from the Bible?

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Many critics allege that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) himself was not the author of the Qurâ€™an but he learnt it and/or plagiarised (copied or adapted) it from other human sources or from previous scriptures or revelations.

1. MUHUMMAD LEARNT THE QURâ€™AN FROM A ROMAN BLACKSMITH WHO WAS A CHRISTIAN

Some Pagans accused the Prophet of learning the Qurâ€™an from a Roman Blacksmith, who was a Christian staying at the outskirts of Makkah. The Prophet very often used to go and watch him do his work. A revelation of the Qurâ€™an was sufficient to dismiss this charge - the Qurâ€™an says in Surah An-Nahl chapter 16 verse 103:

"We know indeed that they say, â€˜It is a man that teaches him,â€™ The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear."
[Al-Qurâ€™an 16:103]

How could a person whose mother tongue was foreign and could hardly speak little but of poor broken Arabic be the source of the Qurâ€™an which is pure, eloquent, fine Arabic? To believe that the blacksmith taught the Prophet the Qurâ€™an is some what similar to believing that a Chinese immigrant to England, who did not know proper English, taught Shakespeare.
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2. MUHUMMAD (PBUH) LEARNT FROM WARAQA - THE RELATIVE OF KHADIJAH (RA)

Muhummadâ€™s (pbuh) contacts with the Jewish and Christian Scholars were very limited. The most prominent Christian known to him was an old blind man called Waraqa ibn-Naufal who was a relative of the Prophetâ€™s first wife Khadijah (r.a.). Although of Arab descent, he was a convert to Christianity and was very well versed with the New Testament. The Prophet only met him twice, first when Waraqa was worshipping at the Kaaba (before the Prophetic Mission) and he kissed the Prophetâ€™s forehead affectionately; the second occasion was when the Prophet went to meet Waraqa after receiving the first revelation. Waraqa died three years later and the revelation continued for about 23 years. It is ridiculous to assume that Waraqa was the source of the contents of the Qurâ€™an.
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3. PROPHETâ€™S RELIGIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS

It is true that the Prophet did have religious discussions with the Jews and Christians but they took place in Madinah more than 13 years after the revelation of the Qurâ€™an had started. The allegation that these Jews and Christians were the source is perverse, since in these discussions Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was performing the roles of a teacher and of a preacher while inviting them to embrace Islam and pointing out that they had deviated from their true teachings of Monotheism. Several of these Jews and Christians later embraced Islam.
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4. THE PROPHET LEARNT THE QURâ€™AN FROM THOSE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS THAT HE MET OUTSIDE ARABIA

All historical records available show that Muhummad (pbuh) had made only three trips outside Makkah before his Prophethood:

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At the age of 9 he accompanied his mother to Madinah.
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Between the age of 9 and 12, he accompanied his uncle Abu-Talib on a business trip to Syria.
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At the age of 25 he led Khadijaâ€™s Caravan to Syria.

It is highly imaginary to assume that the Qurâ€™an resulted from the occasional chats and meetings with the Christians or Jews from any of the above three trips.
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5. LOGICAL GROUNDS TO PROVE THAT THE PROPHET DID NOT LEARN THE QURâ€™AN FROM JEWS OR CHRISTIANS

1. The day-to-day life of the Prophet was an open book for all to see. In fact a revelation came asking people to give the Prophet (pbuh) privacy in his own home. If the Prophet had been meeting people who told him what to say as a revelation from God, this would not have been hidden for very long.
2. The extremely prominent Quraish nobles who followed the Prophet and accepted Islam were wise and intelligent men who would have easily noticed anything suspicious about the way in which the Prophet brought the revelations to them - more so since the Prophetic mission lasted 23 years.
3. The enemies of the Prophet kept a close watch on him in order to find proof for their claim that he was a liar - they could not point out even a single instance when the Prophet may have had a secret rendezvous with particular Jews and Christians.
4. It is inconceivable that any human author of the Qurâ€™an would have accepted a situation in which he received no credit whatsoever for originating the Qurâ€™an.

Thus, historically and logically it cannot be established that there was a human source for the Qurâ€™an.
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6. MUHUMMAD (PBUH) WAS AN ILLITERATE

The theory that Muhummad (pbuh) authored the Qurâ€™an or copied from other sources can be disproved by the single historical fact that he was illiterate.

Allah testifies Himself in the Qurâ€™an
In Surah Al-Ankabut chapter no.29 verse 48

"And thou was not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted."
[Al-Qurâ€™an 29:48]

Allah (swt) knew that many would doubt the authenticity of the Qurâ€™an and would ascribe it to Prophet Muhummad (pbuh). Therefore Allah in His Divine Wisdom chose the last and final Messenger to be an â€˜Ummiâ€™, i.e. unlettered, so that the talkers of vanity would not then have the slightest justification to doubt the Prophet. The accusation of his enemies that he had copied the Qurâ€™an from other sources and rehashed it all in a beautiful language might have carried some weight, but even this flimsy pretence has been deprived to the unbeliever and the cynic.

Allah reconfirms in the Qurâ€™an in Surah Al Aâ€™raf chapter 7 verse 157:

"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures) in the Law and the Gospel"

The prophecy of coming of the unlettered Prophet (pbuh) is also mentioned in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12.

"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned."
[Isaiah 29:12]

The Qurâ€™an testifies in no less than four different places that the Prophet (pbuh) was illiterate. It is also mentioned in Surah Aâ€™raf chapter 7 verse 158 and in Surah Al-Jumuâ€™a chapter 62 verse 2.
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7. ARABIC VERSION OF THE BIBLE WAS NOT PRESENT

The Arabic version of the Bible was not present at the time of Prophet Muhummad (pbuh). The earliest Arabic version of the Old Testament is that of R. Saadias Gaon of 900 C.E. - more than 250 years after the death of our beloved Prophet. The oldest Arabic version of the new Testament was published by Erpenius in 1616 C.E. - about a thousand years after the demise of our Prophet.
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8. SIMILARITIES IN THE QURâ€™AN AND THE BIBLE DUE TO COMMON SOURCE

Similarities between the Qurâ€™an and the Bible does not necessarily mean that the former has been copied from the latter. In fact it gives evidence that both of them are based on a common third source; all divine revelations came from the same source - the one universal God. No matter what human changes were introduced into some of these Judeo-Christian and other older religious scriptures that had distorted their originality, there are some areas that have remained free from distortion and thus are common to many religions.

It is true that there are some similar parallels between the Qurâ€™an and the Bible but this is not sufficient to accuse Muhummad (pbuh) of compiling or copying from the Bible. The same logic would then also be applicable to teachings of Christianity and Judaism and thus one could wrongly claim that Jesus (pbuh) was not a genuine Prophet (God forbid) and that he simply copied from the Old Testament.

The similarities between the two signify a common source that is one true God and the continuation of the basic message of monotheism and not that the later prophets have plagiarised from the previous prophets.

If someone copies during an examination he will surely not write in the answer sheet that he has copied from his neighbour or Mr. XYZ. Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) gave due respect and credit to all the previous prophets (pbut). The Qurâ€™an also mentions the various revelations given by Almighty God to different prophets.
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9. MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN THE TAURAH, ZABOOR, INJEEL AND QURâ€™AN

Four revelations of Allah (swt) are mentioned by name in the Qurâ€™an: the Taurah, the Zaboor, the Injeel and the Qurâ€™an.

Taurah, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Moosa (a. s.) i.e. Moses (pbuh).
Zaboor, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Dawood (a.s.) i.e. David (pbuh).
Injeel, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Isa (A.S.) ie. Jesus (pbuh).
â€˜Al-Qurâ€™anâ€™, the last and final Wahi i.e. revelation given to the last and final Messenger Muhammad (pbuh).

It is an article of faith for every Muslim to believe in all the Prophets of God and all revelations of God. However, the present day Bible has the first five books of the Old Testament attributed to Moses and the Psalms attributed to David. Moreover the New Testament or the four Gospels of the New Testament are not the Taurah, the Zaboor or the Injeel, which the Qurâ€™an refers to. These books of the present day Bible may partly contain the word of God but these books are certainly not the exact, accurate and complete revelations given to the prophets.

The Qurâ€™an presents all the different prophets of Allah as belonging to one single brotherhood; all had a similar prophetic mission and the same basic message. Because of this, the fundamental teachings of the major faiths cannot be contradictory, even if there has been a considerable passage of time between the different prophetic missions, because the source of these missions was one: Almighty God, Allah. This is why the Qurâ€™an says that the differences which exist between various religions are not the responsibility of the prophets, but of the followers of these prophets who forgot part of what they had been taught, and furthermore, misinterpreted and changed the scriptures. The Qurâ€™an cannot therefore be seen as a scripture which competes with the teachings of Moses, Jesus and the other prophets. On the contrary, it confirms, completes and perfects the messages that they brought to their people.

Another name for the Qurâ€™an is the â€˜The Furqanâ€™ which means the criteria to judge the right from the wrong, and it is on the basis of the Qurâ€™an that we can decipher which part of the previous scriptures can be considered to be the word of God.
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10. SCIENTIFIC COMPARISON BETWEEN QURâ€™AN AND BIBLE

If you glance through the Bible and the Qurâ€™an you may find several points which appear to be exactly the same in both of them, but when you analyse them closely, you realise that there is a difference of â€˜chalk and cheeseâ€™ between them. Only based on historical details it is difficult for someone who is neither conversant with Christianity or Islam to come to a firm decision as to which of the scriptures is true; however if you verify the relevant passages of both the scriptures against scientific knowledge, you will yourself realize the truth.

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Creation of the Universe in Six Days
As per the Bible, in the first book of Genesis in Chapter One, the universe was created in six days and each day is defined as a twenty-four hours period. Even though the Qurâ€™an mentions that the universe was created in six â€˜Ayyaamsâ€™, â€˜Ayyaamâ€™ is the plural of years; this word has two meanings: firstly, it means a standard twenty-four hours period i.e. a day, and secondly, it also means stage, period or epoch which is a very long period of time.

When the Qurâ€™an mentions that the universe was created in six â€˜Ayyaamsâ€™, it refers to the creation of the heavens and the earth in six long periods or epochs; scientists have no objection to this statement. The creation of the universe has taken billions of years, which proves false or contradicts the concept of the Bible which states that the creation of the Universe took six days of twenty-four hour durations each.
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Sun Created After the Day
The Bible says in chapter 1, verses 3-5, of Genesis that the phenomenon of day and night was created on the first day of creation of the Universe by God. The light circulating in the universe is the result of a complex reaction in the stars; these stars were created according to the Bible (Genesis chapter 1 verse 14 to 19) on the fourth day. It is illogical to mention the result that is the light (the phenomenon of day and night) was created on the first day of Creation when the cause or source of the light was created three days later. Moreover the existence of evening and morning as elements of a single day is only conceivable after the creation of the earth and its rotation around the sun. In contrast with the contents of the Bible on this issue, the Qurâ€™an does not give any unscientific sequence of Creation. Hence it is absolutely absurd to say that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) copied the passages pertaining to the creation of the universe from the Bible but missed out this illogical and fantastic sequence of the Bible.
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Creation of the Sun, The Earth and the Moon
According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 9 to 13, the earth was created on the third day, and as per verses 14 to 19, the sun and the moon were created on the fourth day. The earth and the moon emanated, as we know, from their original star, the Sun. Hence to place the creation of the sun and the moon after the creation of the earth is contrary to the established idea about the formation of the solar system.
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Vegetation Created on the third day and Sun on the fourth day
According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 11-13, vegetation was created on the third day along with seed-bearing grasses, plants and trees; and further on as per verses 14-19, the sun was created on the fourth day. How is it scientifically possible for the vegetation to have appeared without the presence of the sun, as has been stated in the Bible?

If Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) was indeed the author of the Qurâ€™an and had copied its contents from the Bible, how did he manage to avoid the factual errors that the Bible contains? The Qurâ€™an does not contain any statements which are incompatible with scientific facts.
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The Sun and the Moon both Emit light
According to the Bible both the sun and the moon emit their own light. In the Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verse 16 says, "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night".

Science tells us today that the moon does not have its own light. This confirms the Qurâ€™anic concept that the light of the moon is a reflected light. To think that 1400 years ago, Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) corrected these scientific errors in the Bible and then copied such corrected passages in the Qurâ€™an is to think of something impossible.
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11. ADAM (PBUH), THE FIRST MAN ON EARTH, LIVED 5,800 YEARS AGO

As per the genealogy of Jesus Christ given in the Bible, from Jesus through Abraham (pbuh) to the first man on earth i.e. Adam (pbuh), Adam appeared on the earth approximately 5800 years ago:

1. 1948 years between Adam (pbuh) and Abraham (pbuh)
2. Approximately 1800 years between Abraham (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh)
3. 2000 years from Jesus (pbuh) till today

These figures are further confused by the fact that the Jewish calendar is currently on or about 5800 years old.

There is sufficient evidence from archaeological and anthropological sources to suggest that the first human being on earth was present tens of thousands of years ago and not merely 5,800 years ago as is suggested by the Bible.
The Qurâ€™an too speaks about Adam (pbuh) as the first man on earth but it does not suggest any date or period of his life on earth, unlike the Bible - what the Bible says in this regard is totally incompatible with science.
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12. NOAH (PBUH) AND THE FLOOD

The Biblical description of the flood in Genesis chapter 6, 7 and 8 indicates that the deluge was universal and it destroyed every living thing on earth, except those present with Noah (pbuh) in the ark. The description suggests that the event took place 1656 years after the creation of Adam (pbuh) or 292 years before the birth of Abraham, at a time when Noah (pbuh) was 600 years old. Thus the flood may have occurred in the 21st or 22nd Century B.C.

This story of the flood, as given in the Bible, contradicts scientific evidence from archaelogical sources which indicate that the eleventh dynasty in Egypt and the third dynasty in Babylonia were in existence without any break in civilisation and in a manner totally unaffected by any major calamity which may have occurred in the 21st century B.C. This contradicts the Biblical story that the whole world had been immersed in the flood water. In contrast to this, the Qurâ€™anic presentation of the story of Noah and the flood does not conflict with scientific evidence or archaeological data; firstly, the Qurâ€™an does not indicate any specific date or year of the occurance of that event, and secondly, according to the Qurâ€™an the flood was not a universal phenomenon which destroyed complete life on earth. In fact the Qurâ€™an specifically mentions that the flood was a localised event only involving the people of Noah.

It is illogical to assume that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) had borrowed the story of the flood from the Bible and corrected the mistakes before mentioning it in the Qurâ€™an.
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13. MOSES (PBUH) AND PHARAOH OF THE EXODUS

The story of Moses (pbuh) and the Pharaoh of the Exodus are very much identical in the Qurâ€™an and the Bible. Both scriptures agree that the Pharaoh drowned when he tried to pursue Moses (pbuh) and led the Israelites across a stretch of water that they crossed. The Qurâ€™an gives an additional piece of information in Surah Yunus chapter 10 verse 92:

"This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!"
[Al-Qurâ€™an 10:92]

Dr. Maurice Bucaille, after a thorough research proved that although Rameses II was known to have persecuted the Israelites as per the Bible, he actually died while Moses (pbuh) was taking refuge in Median. Rameses IIâ€™s son Merneptah who succeeded him as Pharaoh drowned during the exodus. In 1898, the mummified body of Merneptah was found in the valley of Kings in Egypt. In 1975, Dr. Maurice Bucaille with other doctors received permission to examine the Mummy of Merneptah, the findings of which proved that Merneptah probably died from drowning or a violent shock which immediately preceeded the moment of drowning. Thus the Qurâ€™anic verse that we shall save his body as a sign, has been fulfilled by the Pharaohsâ€™ body being kept at the Royal Mummies room in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.

This verse of the Qurâ€™an compelled Dr. Maurice Bucaille, who was a Christian then, to study the Qurâ€™an. He later wrote a book â€˜The Bible, the Qurâ€™an and Scienceâ€™, and confessed that the author of the Qurâ€™an can be no one else besides God Himself. Thus he embraced Islam.
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14. QURâ€™AN IS A BOOK FROM ALLAH

These evidences are sufficient to conclude that the Qurâ€™an was not copied from the Bible, but that the Qurâ€™an is the Furqaan - â€˜the Criteriaâ€™ to judge right from wrong and it should be used to decipher which portion of the Bible may be considered as the Word of God.

The Qurâ€™an itself testifies in Surah Sajda chapter 32 verse 1 to 3

Alif Laam Meem.

(This is) the revelation of the Book in which there is no doubt â€“ from the Lord of the Worlds.

Or do they say, â€˜He has forged itâ€™? Nay, it is the Truth from thy Lord, that thou mayest admonish a people to whom no warner has come before thee: in order that they may receive guidance."
[Al-Qurâ€™an 32:1-3]
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The girl was going to run away from the house so it is not because of the hijab that her father killed her in a fit of rage. People really need to take their heads out of their a&& and look at the whole story.
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Oh, OK, that makes it all better. Thanks for clearing that up!

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Jazakallah Aceday The Quran is perfection, it has the answer to everything.

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10. SCIENTIFIC COMPARISON BETWEEN QURâ€™AN AND BIBLE

11. ADAM (PBUH), THE FIRST MAN ON EARTH, LIVED 5,800 YEARS AGO

12. NOAH (PBUH) AND THE FLOOD

13. MOSES (PBUH) AND PHARAOH OF THE EXODUS

14. QURâ€™AN IS A BOOK FROM ALLAH
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Excellent my friend...

Thank you for great knowledge from the Holy Quran...

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You are truly the master of Copy and Paste!

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No rebutal eh, so Will, now that you know the truth, when will you be converting?

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You are truly the master of Copy and Paste!
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Here's a nice poem for you....

To those that worship the christ, I do pose a question!

A question I need answered in the presence of your reflection!

If the lord had died by some people's act, hence he died, so what sort of god is this?

Was he pleased by what they did to him? If yes, then blessed be they that attained his pleasure!

But if he was discontented, then did their power subjugate his???

Was the universe really left without an all-hearful lord, to answer those whom call upon him?

Were the heavens and the skies vacated, when he lay under the ground, with sand upon him?

Were the worlds left without a sustainer, as his hands were nailed?

Why did the angels abandon him, as he wailed?

How could a cross of wood stand to bear the True Lord as he was fastened?

How could the metal strike and hurt him?

How could the hands of his enemies reach him, let alone lash him?

And was he revived by himselfâ€¦ or was the reviver another god besides him?

What a strange thing! A grave that contained a god! Even stranger, is the womb that bore him!

Did he stay there for 9 months in utter darkness, with only blood to feed on?

Then leaving the womb, a small helpless baby, gasping to be breastfed?

He ate, drank and did what so naturally resulted? Is this then a god????

High exalted is GOD most high, above your conjecture!

All shall be held accountable for what they assert!!!

So, cross worshippers, what blame is on those who reject it?

Does not logic dictate you to break and burn it alongside those that used it?

Considering the Lord was crucified on it, his hands nailed into it?

So what a cursed cross it is, step on it with your foot, donâ€™t kiss it when you see it!

The lord was abused on it and you adore it? So you are one of his enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds, then what about the graves also, since the grave contained your lord?

Oh worshiper of the Christ, wake up to the fact he was a prophet of almighty God, so worship the one that created the christ!

Worship with praises the name of thy Lord, the Supreme.

That is GOD, the one and only, the eternal the absolute, he begetteth not, nor is he begotten and there is none like unto him!
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Very sad to know it.

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No rebutal eh, so Will, now that you know the truth, when will you be converting?
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Right after I give up on logic, science, reason, and civilization.

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Right after I use logic, science, reason, and civilization.
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Logic, is it logical to say the creator of the universe died for the sins of his creation?

What science, bible is about as far from science as you can get, lol.

EVERYONE!!! I FOUND THE CURE TO THE PLAGUE AND LEPROSY!!!

Leviticus 14

49 And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:

50 And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:

51 And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:

52 And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:

53 But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.

54 This is the law for all manner of plague of leprosy, and scall.
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Sounds like voodoo to me

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Just thought I should post this....someone tried to give me a red for this post:

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=5608882&postcount=77

In doing so, they only gave me a grey, and this is what they had to say:

your toilet paper bible has no originals and has had tons of ommsions in the past century that wer proven fabrications, jesus wont save you, you rly think God had to die for the sins of his creation? wake up and leave your conjecture
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yep...sure is a religion of peace, isn't it??? LMFAO!!!

Just to add to it...we don't have the "originals"...but we do have copies that date a lot older than other religious books such as the Koran (to which there is also NO originals)....go read the dead sea scrolls for instance...there are tons of scrolls that are the same as the books of the Bible (the Isaiah scroll for instance)

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Aceday said: ↑

Logic, is it logical to say the creator of the universe died for the sins of his creation?

What science, bible is about as far from science as you can get, lol.

EVERYONE!!! I FOUND THE CURE TO THE PLAGUE AND LEPROSY!!!

Leviticus 14

Sounds like voodoo to me
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He's an atheist. (We've been through this already, Aceday, i hope you remember what atheism is! Be a good boy now!)

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Just to add to it...we don't have the "originals"...but we do have copies that date a lot older than other religious books such as the Koran (to which there is also NO originals)....go read the dead sea scrolls for instance...there are tons of scrolls that are the same as the books of the Bible (the Isaiah scroll for instance)
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No you dont.

Bart D Ehrman - Who Changed the Bible and Why - page 10

Not only do we not have the originals, we don't have the first copies of the originals. We don't even have copies of the copies of the originals, or copies of the copies of the copies of the originals. What we have are copies made laterâ€”much later. In most instances, they are copies made many centuries later. And these copies all differ from one another, in many thousands of places. As we will see later in this book, these copies differ from one another in so many places that we don't even know how many differences there are.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_D._Ehrman

Ehrman began studying the Bible and its original languages at the Moody Bible Institute and is a 1978 graduate of Wheaton College in Illinois. He received his Ph.D and M.Div. from Princeton Theological Seminary, where he studied under Bruce Metzger. He currently serves as the chairman of the Department of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He was the President of the Southeast Region of the Society of Biblical Literature, and worked closely as an editor on a number of the Society's publications. Currently, he co-edits the series New Testament Tools and Studies.
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As for the Holy Qu'ran it has been preserved for 1,400 years! Even today ther are millions that have memorized it cover to cover!

Also about the bible just look at the different number of books between the catholic and protestant bible!

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He's an atheist. (We've been through this already, Aceday, i hope you remember what atheism is! Be a good boy now!)
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I think he is a christian, read his posts dude.

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Right after I give up on logic, science, reason, and civilization.
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looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

There are no scientific errors in the Quran. Infact, many of the scientific discoveries from the 20th and 21st century were already in the Quran!!

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I think he is a christian, read his posts dude.
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It appears that DevilHells can read better than most here.

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