DMOZ watching us??

At least I don't pretend I'm something I'm not, and freely admit to what I don't know.

 

Evidently not. Your posts in this thread alone would indicate otherwise.

 

Sorry, minstrel, but I don't have any buttons you can push, . I have no ego to bruise, so insulting me won't work.

 

never happened to me, but i do know of somebody that it happened to, and they tried to have it changed, but got no results, it shouldnt matter if you sell a site or not, if you sold your home, the value does not get set back to zero, should be the same here as web sites are often quite like realestate, where people buy and sell, build thier value etc

 

We prefer to operate this way we find it works better for us.

 

I'm not sure if we're talking about just the url, or if we're talking about all the content on the site too. At one time, I had two sites. One was a personal business site, with a very specific, one of a kind url and very specific information on it that would be of no benefit to anyone else.

The other was strictly an industrial information site for a specific industry, which could possibly be of benefit to many, so I could understand why that content might be useful.

I took both sites down, deleted the content, and deleted them from the Directory.

The business url was bought out from under me the day before I could reregister it, and it was a specific local business name. I see no legitimate way it could be of use to anyone.

A small directory contacted me about the informational site and offered to buy that url from me, and I told them I had no intention of ever using it again, and they could have it at no cost, payment wasn't neccessary. That was a more generic url that could be suitable for many sites.

Maybe somebody here could explain to me the purpose of buying and selling sites, because I don't see a legimate purpose for doing that.

 

wtf? laughable actually.

 

Nice explanation. Besides the obvious, I meant are you interested in the content, the url, or the title of the site? If you're as knowledgeable as you think you are, you should be able to give a knowledgeable answer without the sarcasm.

Off topic:

Happy Veterans Day to the vets, and Semper Fi, though most of us will be working.

 

I only bought one website so far after reading its owner doesn't want to pay hosting for it anymore and I didn't want it to end up as yet another cybersquatted expired domain.

What would be the point of having incorrectly listed domain?

I doubt it that many people looking for a restaurant would be looking for a website builder at the same time. If that was his deliberate intention then I would sooner call it stupidity then tactics.

We already know that DMOZ is only about editors and their ego, end user is irrelevant, there is no need for you to constantly repeat it.

Why would someone buy another company what legitimate purpose is there for doing that??? You know there is a saying "It is better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you're ignorant, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

If you got cash it is much simpler to takeover existing established website with its user base and then developed it further then starting from scratch since it will take you much longer to get your investment back.

But you have to ask the buyer since each of them has their own different reasons for example in past year in Croatia we had some massive sales of entire websites, Nova TV bought biggest blog service in Croatia blog.hr - hey you should delist blog.hr form DMOZ ASAP - THEY HAVE CHANGED OWNER!!! http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/search?search=blog.hr

BTW croportal.net (which is amongst top 10 in Croaita) also changed owner which actually made massive changes to the content!
http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/search?search=croportal.net

mojposao.hr (domain redirects to official moj-posao.net) was also bought so it too must be delisted!
http://www.dmgt.co.uk/mediacentre/newsreleases/20070314/4377/
http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/search?search=mojposao

posao.hr also changed owner last year!
http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/search?search=posao.hr

also najdi.si and it brands pogodak.ba, pogodak.hr, pogodak.co.yu, pogodak.com.mk all of them hand owner change!
http://www.sloveniapartner.com/news_archive.asp?ID=1649&tn=1

ARE YOU GOING TO DELIST ALL OF THESE WEBSITE (and since there are no longer editor for those language they will never be listed again) OR ARE YOU GOING TO PROVE DMOZ DOUBLE STANDARDS?

Several other websites got bought also in what could be called Croatian business has finally discovered internet and that hundreds of thousands of people are using it! Up to last year their opinion was that it was useless toy for kids or service for downloading porn.

 

Well, there are many things I don't know, Ivan, that's why I was asking, . I had small business sites in mind, but those are probably good examples of where editor discretion would come into play and common sense takes over.

I can't get inside of a webmasters mind or know what motivates individuals to to buy a website and change the content, without changing the title, but I've seen lots of hijacked sites that have done that very thing.

You click on a site about potatoes and up pops a porn site or some other site that has nothing to do with the category it's in or the title of the site.

They wouldn't, they'd be interested in the restaurant, and instead they get a webmaster site hawking its services. That was my point. Because they can only have one legitimate listing, they try to get an advantage over the rest of you by hijacking sites and using them as a lead generator for the legitimate listing.

Guys, I really was just asking questions about something I don't know about, not throwing down any gloves. I figured experts would be able to explain it to me in laymans language.

 

Every change of ownership doesn't mean hijacking, usual case of hijacking is buying expired domains, but that hardly qualifies as change of ownership. If you closed your business and I opened a porn store with the same name in your town I bet you would be very annoyed especially if someone asked you are you still the owner or did you sold it to me?

Pretty much waste of cash, I seriously doubt that more then 0,001% people instead of reserving a table would decided buy a website, everyone else would close browser window and checked another website.

I hardly consider my self an expert unless topic is history of former Yugoslavia but using logic you can reach most conclusion but then logic isn't allowed in DMOZ.

Live long and prosper!




P.S.
Those websites I mentioned which have changed owners and some did content are still listed - DMOZ double standards at work?

 

Well, I know you'd probably like to think that, , (I haven't given them more than a quick glance), but, it's more likely any content change just hasn't been noticed yet.

Only two of them are in English, and I don't edit in those areas anyway, so you are probably more familiar with those areas than I am.

However, you could report anything that doesn't look right to you over there, and I'm sure they would be looked at by somebody who does know which end is up, .

 

Hmm... so we don't get the blessings of Ivan & minstrel, et al. OK. Just so you guys understand... we don't mind explaining how things work, but our policies & practices aren't actually on hold awaiting your approval.

Here's the way selling a listed URL frequently works in practice...

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  [1] We list websites, not URLs
  [2] If a URL is sold with a pitch of "already dmoz listed" that's generally considered a way to bypass the submission process
  [3] Nothing is guaranteed a permanent listing
  [4] We make decisions based on our experiences and/or past issues, not yours. How we handle it may depend on additional factors, none of which are your call. When in doubt, review #3.

Again, that may not be how it'd go if you ran it, but you don't. If you want to make those calls, start your own and we promise not to try and tell you how you run it. Hope that clears it up. Regards ~ Rob

 

Well, duh!

Thanks for stating the bloody obvious, rob. I think we were aware of that.

 

I have never seen such an elitist bunch as Dmoz metas and senior editors
newbie editors MUST Kiss A*s for their first two years and never ever post on a forum anything other than postive things about Dmoz and its editorial process

its laughable.

and to the person saying 'websites shouldnt be sold'...... what planet are you on please?!

Quality websites are a commodity....and as with any other commodity are subject to be sold or traded at some time if the owner so desires??

its a similiar analogy to selling a house You buy the real estate initially....put years of work and money into the property....and then due to retirement or some other factor...may need to sell the house and realise the gains you hopefully made.


how you can say websites shouldnt be sold....is quite frankly absurd..and you must be sure to pass on that statement to the Ex owners of You Tube.

im sure they will agree with you...NOT

 

Well, I'm sure that YouTube was delisted when it sold because Google turned it into a porn site.

 

Well DMOZ double standards on everything have become guidelines and rule in its own, websites I have reported are still listed despite the fact that one made drastic changes to the content.

It was porn site before it got sold and DMOZ has special treatment for those.

 

What I still cannot figure out for the life of me is why there is still a DMOZ section on DP.
I mean c'mon, we all know by now what the ODP "stands for" do we not?

 

You guys aren't a fountain of information, I'm beginning to think you really don't know the answers.

Play along with my ignorance a little. I've always believed websites were built by the owner as either just another tool to help in his business, or an informational site.

Are you saying that most of you here build sites as an investment to be bought and sold for profit? Or that you make your living by being a website middleman, snatching up abandoned sites and selling them on a market?

That's not a real difficult question, and I'm trying to learn.

 

Most are, though even those can be bought and sold, much like real life businesses. In fact, when a business is sold, it's website also generally transfers ownership. Under the "past experience" of DMOZ that should result in the delisting of the site.

It does take all sorts doesn't it? There are people that buy up real estate to resell it, and there are businesses set up specifically to buy and liquidate other businesses. These things, while rather rate, are still done...and just because they are done does not mean that the property is changed for the better or worse. Though, strangely enough, these things do seemingly result in getting delisted from the largest human (and automated) directory.

Look at the Youtube example. Google is a big player, but were they given special treatment when they bought Youtube? I'm willing wager that the Youtube listing never changed... Favoritism?