Am I paying too much for my SEO?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by lapowerlifter242, Nov 8, 2007.

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    I am thinking about using a website company to do my SEO for me. They want to charge me a $2000.00 one time fee, and then $200.00 per month. What they do for the money is select my strongest key words, use a computer program that submitts my site to 1500 search engines 2 times per month. They guarantee me 1st place placement with google and yahoo and I beleive MSN (not sure about this one though). They keep submitting as long as I keep paying the $200.00 per month.

    Question is am I paying too much for what they are offering? Should I find another cheaper company and put the rest of the money towards advertising? Should I manually submitt to yahoo and Google myself?

    Who would be some good reputable companies to go with that specialize in SEO?
    Any help in this matter will be greatly appreciated.
     
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  2. ca4nul

    ca4nul Active Member

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    Well there are lot of things in SEO. if they do only regular submission then it is crap. i'm full time SEO and i have never submit website again on search engines. The website should optimized so nicely that search engine should itself crawel it regularly. It really depends how big your website is, and how much competation you have on internet.

    If you PM me your site details. i'll be better in position to answer your question.
     
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  3. Matyy_22

    Matyy_22 Peon

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    Expensive. Also Fee. I think those guys are a lit of bit expensive, don't you think. You better try other, with similar results.PM if you are interested.!

    Regards!
     
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  4. yaffiliate

    yaffiliate Peon

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    Run fast and hard...

    This is worthless. You do not need to be "submitted" to search engines anymore...

    Also, no good SEO will guarantee "1st place placement". This is a joke, in 3 months when you say you want your money back they are going to point you to a search result for your domain name "www.yourdomain.com" and say see look you rank #1 for your own domain. This is useless unless people are already searching for your domain name, which is unlikely. Besides, with almost no web presence you should still be able to rank for your own domain name.

    Use the $2000 to pay a copywriter for good UNIQUE content related to your service. Then use the $200 a month to submit to a different directory and or advertising space on similar websites.

    Good luck...
     
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  5. maddawg

    maddawg Peon

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    This is a really bad deal. Think about it logically: if their service worked, why would they ask for everything up front? Also submitting your urls to the search engines is totally antiquated. You are far better off saving the money and using it to buy links in the link sales forum here.

    If you do use an seo service, use one that charges less up front and devotes the majority of their energy to keyword research, content and link building.

    Also no one can guarantee number 1 placement on Google or any of the search engines. There are way to many variables to account for. (Unless your keyword is totally non-competitive, which is a sign that's it's searched too much).

    I would post a thread asking for a referral here. You'll find way better seo's than the one you're dealing with.

    Good luck!
     
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  6. Crazy_Rob

    Crazy_Rob I seen't it!

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    SE submission hasn't been necessary in YYYYYEARS!

    Companies (or people) who charge to submit are ones I would stay away from. That alone tells me they're probably dishonest!
     
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    maddawg Peon

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    Sorry for the redudant nature of my post. (I was typing when yaffiliate posted the same exact thing).
     
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    You need to do more than spam search engines to get to the top of competitive keywords. So yeah, you're paying too much if you go with them.
     
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  9. ca4nul

    ca4nul Active Member

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    :D

    hey just calm down.

    may be his site is travel related and once i have to do travel site :( these sites really have competition specially near summer.

    thats why i ask him about his site. bez money is simpily depends upon site nature and keywords compititon.
     
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  10. gr8liverpoolfan

    gr8liverpoolfan Notable Member

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    Is submission the only thing that they do for $2K + $200/mo ? No link building or other stuff like that ? Somehow submitting your site to search engines, and that too with a computer program, doesn't strike me as the thing that a top SEO firm would do. Submission to the engines doesn't guarantee top placement.

    Do they have any testimonials ? Previously satisfied clients ? How long have they been around ?
     
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    You would be better off burning your money than paying it to a company that submits your site to search engines. Give me $2 and I will do more for your site than they will.
     
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    That sounds like something InternetAdvancement.com would do,

    Read
    seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002002970_nwbizbriefs12.html

    I would not advise running with that program....If you don't know anything about SEO...Educate yourself before you sign with a company.

    here is a good resource. http://www.seo-theory.com/wordpress/
     
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    mbfootball47 Well-Known Member

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    They most do something more than auto submit your website to search engines. That's worthless and there's websites online where you can do this for free. Do they do any link building, keyword and page optimization?
     
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    It does not look like SEO to me. The idea that submitting to search engines will give you the place in SERPs looks weird to me. I would not use these guys.
     
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    sweetfunny Banned

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    Definately move on and choose someone else, they have no clue what they are doing and are more likely to get your site banned than ranking anywhere.
     
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    cosmocentral Banned

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    Search Engine submissions twice a month doesn't sound right to me. Some of them may ban you for repeated submission. I knew a company that does similar service, but I never trusted them to hire for my company. I would rather suggest building links, writing quality articles by a copywriter, submit them to article sites. This is a slow process, but in the long run you would be the winner.
     
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    scorpionagency Well-Known Member

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    Ok, here is a heads up for you. A professional SEO consultant that knows ANYTHING about SEO has the following combined services available for a clients SEO project:

    * Inbound Link Building
    * Content Vs. Keyword Density
    * Image - alt/title Attributes
    * Hyperlink - title Attributes
    * (SE) Search Engine friendly Navigation
    * Inner / Cross linking
    * Content tweaking (as needed)
    * Landing page support
    * Outbound link management / restrictions
    * Meta tag arrangements
    * Engine submissions
    * Analysis / Troubleshooting to insure good SERP's results for selected search phrase
    * and More.....

    The above are just the basic fundamentals, There are allot more elements to consider. I suggest in your research, you start asking related questions to the list above, if they don't include at least 70% of that list off the top of their heads, then their services are questionable for that type of price & you should continue your research.

    And Please don't ask, I am booked up with other projects for a while & can't handle what I already have - Hense Outsourcing (Cringe) - I would clearly NOT be able to give you the 100% focus you deserve.

    I do wish you luck in your search though!
     
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    paying $2000 and $200 per month for only submitting ur site to 1500 directory !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    give me $100 per month and i'll do this for you .
     
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    You would use that money much better if you donated it to the poor and put your site in your signature. It is impossible to rank well for a keyword by just submitted to search engines. It will not help you a single bit. For a service like that, I would pay $5 per month, and trust me, I am very generous with money.
     
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    Let's take a look, shall we?

    1500 search engines twice a month? That alone screams "con artists selling snake oil". Most of the time submitting your site to search engines isn't even necessary, but it does help to let them know that you're there. And if you do, you only need to worry about submitting to Google, Yahoo and MSN (in that order) anyway. There is a fourth major search engine, Ask.com, but it doesn't allow submissions (instead preferring to find your site via incoming links). Those four search engines alone have a virtual stranglehold on the search engine market anyway.

    Guaranteeing 1st place in the search engines means exactly two things - and Jack left town. Nobody can guarantee first place for everything (especially to everybody). It would defeat the whole purpose of "first place" anyway. Now, if they were to say that they are capable of getting you on the first page of the Big Four, but cannot guarantee it due to the way that search engines work, then I'd take them seriously. But alas, my instincts are telling me that you should avoid them like the plague.

    As far as your money goes, I'd hire a competent Web developer (who is also knowledgable in on-site SEO, accessibility and usability) to look at your Web site and see what can be done as far as the code goes. I'd also consider consulting with a Web copywriter to take care of the page content. Then spend the rest of your money on advertising, marketing and promoting your site (avoid buying links - you want natural ones instead).

    Kinda mirrors what I just said (yes, I'm backing you up). But you don't want to hire just any copywriter. You want to hire a copywriter who's able to write killer Web copy (since the Web is a completely different medium from print, which is what most copywriters work in). If you want to learn the basics of good Web copywriting yourself (note I said the basics), go to your local public library and see if they either have or can acquire a copy of (probably from another library via an interlibrary loan) of "Web Copy That Sells" by Maria Veloso.

    It hasn't been necessary by itself, but it's still a good healthy part of a balanced plan of attack. Especially since you'll be telling the search engines which pages you have in your site anyway (which saves them the trouble of finding out for themselves). Like I said, not something to do by itself, but in conjunction with a solid and aggressive (not to mention ethical) link building campagin.

    Exactly.

    Call me crazy, but I actually consider those to be the Web developer's (or designer's) job.
     
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