I think SEO will eventually disappear

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by Val_Resnik, Oct 13, 2007.

  1. ninjashoes

    ninjashoes Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,401
    Likes Received:
    35
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    138
    #21
    When one door closes another opens up. The more advanced the web gets the more possibilities are created. SEO aint goin nowhere ever!
     
    ninjashoes, Oct 13, 2007 IP
  2. wokaka

    wokaka Peon

    Messages:
    2,346
    Likes Received:
    44
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #22
    Ses will become popular, it won't die. If one search engine is outdated, the other will come and replace the old one. If you are a user and you want to search for something but you don't know the web address, what will you do? Read newspaper and find an advertisement in there? No. You will go to search engine and type some keywords in there. There are so many websites these days and the numbers of websites will keep increasing. Because of this, SEs will become more and more important. Because people simply don't know where should they go if they want to search for a specific item. SEO will not die as well as SEs but maybe the way you do it will be different
     
    wokaka, Oct 13, 2007 IP
  3. twalters84

    twalters84 Peon

    Messages:
    514
    Likes Received:
    7
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #23
    Hey there,

    The only way SEO will die is if search engines die.

    As long as there are search engines, there will be competition for top results. As long as their is competition, there will be people trying to manipulate the rankings.

    Google may have employed a bunch of smart people, but there are more people than that trying to manipulate the results. 10 million average people are better than 1,000 very intelligent people. Why do you think google bombs were so effective?

    The only thing google and yahoo can really do is keep changing their formulas.

    Sincerely,
    Travis Walters
     
    twalters84, Oct 14, 2007 IP
  4. live-cms_com

    live-cms_com Notable Member

    Messages:
    3,128
    Likes Received:
    112
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    205
    Digital Goods:
    1
    #24
    If keywords and backlinks always play a part there will always be some need to SEO with as writing good titles and doing proper keyword research.
     
    live-cms_com, Oct 14, 2007 IP
  5. wildstone

    wildstone Peon

    Messages:
    1,040
    Likes Received:
    20
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #25
    WHITE HAT SEO will never die... Black Hat will be die...
     
    wildstone, Oct 14, 2007 IP
  6. Trapped

    Trapped Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,832
    Likes Received:
    48
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    130
    #26
    As long as there will be search engines SEO and seo services will not die. What might eventually happen is the prices for professional seo consulting and services rise since it will become a more difficult task that kids can't play with.

    But lets wait and see..
     
    Trapped, Oct 14, 2007 IP
  7. GeorgR.

    GeorgR. Peon

    Messages:
    2,831
    Likes Received:
    78
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #27
    live,

    KW and backlinks play only a role since SE categorize and rank pages like this currently. We all know about the ongoing debate whether PR makes sense or not, and we all know that people buy backlinks. We also know that many junk-pages can rank well just by applying SEO techniques, but not having any real relevancy for a subject. From a certain point of view this is not right.

    G for sure is working on this, all the time.

    I could very well see the usual onsite-factors losing importance sooner or later and page-relevancy only determined by content or other, still unknown factors.

    Wouldn't it make much more sense eg. to "rank" a site's relevancy based on the frequency and number of content eg. sent out via RSS feeds to other sites. (Unique content of course). I actually DO critic G there since checking for certain tags and similiar in the structure of a site is FAR OFF any real-life importance of a site.

    We all saw already that years ago you could still rank high by stuffing your meta-tags...this is ONE thing G changed...and they will change more and the intelligent people there at G (i assume) should see that structural elements are FAR OFF any real importance-indicators for a site.

    I can make a junk-site in 10 mins complying to ALL known on-site SEO principles and buying back links left and right. Does this make my site a competence for a certain subject ? Certainly not !

    Traffic might be a good indicator, content and unique content, for sure. But please forget any (still currently) applying "SEO rules" which focus on structural elements of a site since they're just plain nonsense. I would be really, really surpised if google is not working on that.

    Edit: The "perfect SEO" would actually be to take each and any possibility to "manipulate" (ok: "optimize") a site and to 100% only and totally only focus on content and relevancy of a site which is participating in the "action online".

    Web2.0 actually (partly) shows that idea, compare everything what "Web2.0" stands for, stating with social bookmarking and RSS and similar to the web 5 years ago ! There IS a trend, and it goes away from static and structural irrelevant factors towards content and how much a site plays a role in general, now in regards to traffic and how much a site contributes to a subject "as a whole".

    Thats why i also say in my webmaster blog that SEO should maybe slowly start thinking in different ways...and what an importance now social bookmarking, article submission and RSS have. An importance which is way different than what the web was years ago and this is definitly a indicator for whats coming up in the future, also and especially in terms of SEO.

    Maybe (uhm..certainly!!!) in some years a SEO will not optimze tags anymore and check for keyword-relevancy and other nonsense....but rather turn into an "article writer" and "promoter" to help sites "ranking" (if it still exists). I see that definitly coming ! Its happening already !
     
    GeorgR., Oct 14, 2007 IP
  8. t2000q

    t2000q Prominent Member

    Messages:
    4,636
    Likes Received:
    192
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    300
    Digital Goods:
    1
    #28
    it will be around as long as people use search engines
     
    t2000q, Oct 14, 2007 IP
  9. nadavbentor

    nadavbentor Peon

    Messages:
    194
    Likes Received:
    2
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #29
    what he realy means that seo will come down to quality of content
    with that i agree
     
    nadavbentor, Oct 14, 2007 IP
  10. GeorgR.

    GeorgR. Peon

    Messages:
    2,831
    Likes Received:
    78
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #30
    yup !!! Man of short words, you got it !
     
    GeorgR., Oct 14, 2007 IP
  11. priyakochin

    priyakochin Banned

    Messages:
    4,740
    Likes Received:
    138
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #31
    SEO will never disappear : I think ?
     
    priyakochin, Oct 14, 2007 IP
  12. Turbo-Productions

    Turbo-Productions Peon

    Messages:
    218
    Likes Received:
    1
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #32
    it'll evolve. and eventually like GeorgR. said, the web 2.0 phase will incorporate multiple search results to determine relevancy.
     
    Turbo-Productions, Oct 14, 2007 IP
  13. nickflame

    nickflame Peon

    Messages:
    1,054
    Likes Received:
    56
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #33
    i love competing with google staff, it makes me feel better when i succeed.
    And i only employ blackhat seo.
     
    nickflame, Oct 14, 2007 IP
  14. boil3r

    boil3r Peon

    Messages:
    146
    Likes Received:
    0
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #34
    SEO and black hat methods will never die. They will definitely evolve. Just like hackers evolve.
     
    boil3r, Oct 14, 2007 IP
  15. grandaddy

    grandaddy Peon

    Messages:
    242
    Likes Received:
    5
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #35
    Really, when did this start happening?
     
    grandaddy, Oct 14, 2007 IP
  16. drionix

    drionix Peon

    Messages:
    189
    Likes Received:
    8
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #36
    I'm sorry, but I really don't understand the point of GeorgR. and Val_Resnik. How can SEO die if Google and Other Search Engines uses SEO itself to make their Search Results better?

    If you look at the term Search Engine Optimization, it simply means "To optimize Search Engines". SEO doesn't really mean it is just "link building" or "link farming", or "on-page or code optimization". These are just means/ways of helping the Search Engines know which category does you site belongs to. It's just like assisting a Librarian file the books at their proper places, by knowing the references of the content of the book.

    Of course there are people and ways to exploit these method, since everything is done automatically, and these are the ones that G and other SE's are filtering, and not the "Optimization" of content. The term "Optimizing the Content of the website" is also Search Engine Optimization.

    I hope what I said makes sense. :) But for people who do understand, you know what I'm talking about right? ;)
     
    drionix, Oct 14, 2007 IP
  17. seo4china

    seo4china Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,075
    Likes Received:
    18
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    130
    #37
    SEO will die when search does :)
     
    seo4china, Oct 14, 2007 IP
  18. djrishi

    djrishi Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,243
    Likes Received:
    17
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    100
    #38
    I don't agree with you.

    Google's idea is to give best user experience. Sponsored results (although there is a concept of quality score) cants match with organic search results quality.

    Look at paid engine like MIVA and its search results. Its miserable.

    Why Organic Results get more CTR's than Paid Results ?
    Why google is showing organic results although its revenue comes from paid results?


    Its all because of Quality of Search Results...

    SO SEO will never die as long as Quality of the search results, User Experience and ROI is there.
     
    djrishi, Oct 14, 2007 IP
  19. thrillhill

    thrillhill Peon

    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #39
    If a site has quality content for a human and it is laid out logically and is not spammy, the SEs will like it. If it has a long life and has a nice flow of more quality content getting added (again, for humans), the SEs will like it. If other quality sites reference it, the SEs will like it.

    The SE rules today are pretty good. I'm sure they will get tweaked a bit but the bottom line is if a site is a good site that isn't trying to "game" the search engines, the SEs and the site owner (and users) will be happy!
     
    thrillhill, Oct 18, 2007 IP
  20. mridout196

    mridout196 Banned

    Messages:
    720
    Likes Received:
    13
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #40
    As long as there are Search Engines there will be Search Engine Opimization
     
    mridout196, Oct 18, 2007 IP