What can the atheists offer the rest of the world???

That's basically the point I was making. You don't have to agree with someone's faith or think it has any truth to it at all, but people on both sides should have the tolerance to say "you know what, I disagree, but that's cool, to each their own". If atheists and Christians alike did this, our country would be in a much better place.

 

For once we can see how fair the atheists really are. You can see how absolutely intolerable they are when it comes to evolution, just to use a small example. Any scientist who doesn't subscribe to their agenda, gets booted, gets excluded and denied any possible promotion.

Best example about atheistic tolerance is how you can have alternative theories taught in schools. Whoops, there are no alternative theories taught in schools, except for evolution. That speaks heaps of atheistic tolerance. That is why I am so afraid of atheists having a monopoly.

 

A religious belief really has no place in schools IMHO. If it was based on some real scientific fact, something substantial to back it up I'm sure many would be willing to allow it.

Last I heard it was not, simply a way to sneak in a religious method of creation.

Hardly a case of intolerance. Even if it were it's not 'all' athiests.

Religious fanatics have far more intolerance, with your logic and or reasons I guess you're also or should be against religious people from holding office.

 

Again, I see you are wrong. What you're saying is Evolution rules without even willing to hear the other side. So from the start you cut off any debate and any exposure to the other side. What you're saying is: "I don't like this intelligent design thing because it ultimately implies religion of some sort so therefore I will cut off any attempts to prove it."

And you speak of tolerance.

 

You can believe any religion you wish to, it does not need to be, nor should it be forced down others throats.

That is not tolerance, believe it if you want. What you want to do though is make others believe your beliefs, that is totally different!

Maybe your children should be FORCED to go to Islam classes and learn Islam beliefs?

Yeah

You were the one ranting of tolerance and how others are not tolerant, yet you yourself have proven to be anything but

 

I see the shoe found the right foot rather quickly.

Amazing!

 

WHOAAA!!!!!!! Hold your horses dude, the question was a simple one about teaching alternatives to evolution. Judging by your reply and the way you try to twist things you are a more hardened atheist than I thought. That thing with Islam and children???

How many mosques you have in Christian nations??? Many. How many churches you have in muslim nations such as Saudi Arabia?? None. So Gtech is right: you atheists care for muslims while hating Christians at the same time.

 

To quote you..

'WHOAAA!!!!!'
I am not an athiest

Alternatives to evolution are fine, not when they are based on religion, brought by a religion and forced upon people that are not of that religion.

You want to teach it in sunday school, privately to your own children go for it. Public schools are a totally different story.

Nice change around btw, change it to how many mosques, etc.
There are no churches in muslim nations at all, are you certain of that?

You might want to have some facts before you try to accuse someone of something

 

I agree in the "not teaching it in schools" discussion GRIM. Although, children should not be denied access to religious beliefs. I also agree it should not be forced upon people. It should only ever be by invitation so people can make their own decisions. I have a book called "Mankind's Search for God" which has the basics or fundamentals on most of the major religions around the world. It is written in an unbiased way. No promotion. Just the basic facts of each religion. This could be used in school libraries so kids can learn all for themselves if they wish to do so.

 

Atheists are simply just non believer in god, doesn't mean they have ulterior motives or some plan to replace religion at all. Communism in no way has anything to do with atheist belief in general.

I think it just scares you to think that non - believer's are more common now days and makes question to what there motives are. It is simple they do not need to have a following to believe there life is worth something and to dictate to them how to live there life.

 

Ok, show me the name of the church in Saudi Arabia. In the United Arab Emirates they only have one. In Saudi Arabia NONE. And anyway it's you that brought up the subject of Islam.

But back to the question about tolerance, schools should be places where you learn not where you get indoctrinated with certain beliefs. This used to happen in communist nations and under Hitler. By the way, to this day in Germany home schooling is not allowed.

Again, it shows how hardened you are: what if creationism is right? Why does it have to be denied because ultimately it implies there is/was a Creator? You have many laws such as law of gravity. Usually if there is a law there MUST be a Law Giver.

 

Yes children should not be denied access to religious beliefs, I totally agree with that.

I also feel children should be allowed on their own time IN SCHOOL to pray if they wish to do so. I have no problem with that, I don't see a problem with if a bunch of children wish to get together before classes start and pray on 'shock' school grounds. I however do not approve with them being forced to.

I do not believe in the consept that the constitution forbids children from praying on their own time on school grounds, as long as it's not forced or an actual part of school. I'd much rather see children praying even if it was a religion I did not believe in than playing hooky from school and being in gangs

Bet proteindude didn't see that one coming

You were trying to lump Islam majority countries versus Christian majority countries, know your facts correctly before making accusations. Saudi Arabia and the United Emirates are not the only Muslim countries BTW
I brought up Islam as you have no problem forcing your religious views on others in school, but you never did answer if you'd allow your children to be forced to take on views from Islam. It was a fair question, fine make it Jewish, any other religion other than your own..

You are also wrong on the United Arab Emirates, even 2 examples from many Muslim countries and you can't get it right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates
There are several large Christian churches and schools in the UAE, primarily in Dubai and Abu Dhabi.

It is religion, you are trying to force, FORCE religion onto others. What if it is right, then others who do not believe in your religion are wrong. In your logic then you should be allowed to force your entire religion and convert EVERYONE to your religion because it 'might' be right.
I'm sorry but the US is not like Saudi Arabia 'thank you for bringing that up' we do not force religion or deny religious beliefs.

You are free to on your own believe all you want when it comes to religion, you are NOT free to force in upon others.

I suggest you quit while you're 10 miles behind.

 

I agree with you on this one. I am in unbelief. I am reading it again and again. Even though I am thoroughly convinced, that as long as there are exams, prayer will continue to take place in public schools.

 

As I said in one of my previous posts, SCIENCE rules the classroom.

Evolution, heliocentrism, theory of relativity, superstring theory, gravity, physics, chemistry, etc = science (arguably false for some cases)
creationism/ID != science

Again, to say "evolution rules the classroom" is silly, it is taught alongside a thousand other scientific theories. At least with my teachers, they were very careful to explain the debate over evolution, and how it can be argued from both sides. At the same point, creationism and all that crap is not science and has no place in the classroom. You want to teach your kids about it, go for it; you want to teach it in sunday school, go for it; but it isn't science, and as such it doesn't belong in the classroom.

 

If religion is allowed - in any way - in schools then ALL religions must be allowed.

Not just Christianity, but ALL religions. So students would have to learn the science/creation theories of all religions.

Christianity, Shinto, Islamic, Judaism, Sikhism ..all those others that are out there...

 

If something wants to be taught as a science it need to lay down evidence, Go through empirical testing and then peer review. if at the end the scientific community comes to the census that it is correct, it gets taught as science.

ID wants to cheat the system by offering no evidence, Go through no empirical testing and not be subject to peer review by the scientific community. It wants a free ride from "baseless assumption" to "scientific fact". It's not fair on the system, it's not fair on science and most importantly of all it's not fair on the poor kids who are going to be taught this filthy garbage as if it were true.

 

Once again it validates my point about atheists "tolerance". "Nothing else but our view" scream all atheists. Never mind to this day they still call it the THEORY of evolution, and never mind you have heaps of scientists that don't subscribe to it. Never mind there are so many "missing links" and gaps. "EVOLUTION is all that matters" scream atheists. Which again validates my view, tolerance of others views (religious dudes) will be diminished or extinguished.

Let's go back to when we had atheists in control: Russia, China, Romania, Cambodgia, North Korea etc.

 

Its no use to have tolerance to a theory that is proven wrong. Saying that creationism is right is like saying that blood is blue. Its proven beyond everything. Proteindude, I suppose you dont believe in science at all, or do you just pick the parts that fits your faith like all other creationists does?

 

Yes it is true. I am sorry to tell on the atheists here, but we have all been meeting at Denny's every wednesday night to plan our total world dominance. Sorry guys. You know I can't keep a secret.

get rid of all religion? Yes. It will be gone. For those who refuse to deny there religion, they will have to submit to memory erasing. Don't worry it is not very painful.

indoctrinate kids about evolution? We will teach evolution the one and only truth to enlighten all children!

put animals first? Yes, of course. Especially pomeranians, they will rule the earth with an iron paw.

forbid all other parties? You can have as many parties as you like, you just need to invite the atheists. (especially if there is cake)

Would an atheistic society be a more "tolerable" one? Yes, as long as you have the exact same beliefs as we do.

 

I agree, pomeranians are the next rulers, we already have some pomeranians in vital positions in the government of Norway.