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Is this a good price for a fully custom crawler search engine.

Discussion in 'All Other Search Engines' started by NCDE302, Aug 31, 2007.

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    I asked my coder how much for a fully custom crawler search engine from scratch just like yahoo and google, and he quoted me at about 50k for the whole thing. is this a correct price?
     
    NCDE302, Aug 31, 2007 IP
  2. Giorgi

    Giorgi Well-Known Member

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    no of course. get new coder :D
     
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    monty2002 Well-Known Member

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    #3
    why would you want a custom crawling search engine?

    you will almost certainly not make your money back!!!

    get out while you can if you ask me..

    50k just to get it coded, then what are you gonna do, promote the crap out of it and before you know it you will have spent so much money you won't even be able to make it back when you have got good traffic...
     
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  4. NCDE302

    NCDE302 Peon

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    Im just asking if this is a correct price, im not asking for peoples opinion. i know what i am going to do with it so can you just please answer my question.
     
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    sample4u Well-Known Member

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    i think you can do with 10k-20k
     
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    jfarmer Well-Known Member

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    Well at $25 an hour thats 6 months full time, and considering that there are a lot of scripts out there with pieces of code he/she could use to get started. 50k may be a bit high

    have you considered pricing it overseas, I like to keep work over here but if your going to spend so much you may as well look overseas.
     
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    login Notable Member

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    Are you talking about just the coding? Not development of the algorithm and so on? Then 50k is very expensive. Is this coder an expert on search engines?
     
    login, Aug 31, 2007 IP
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    That seems to be a bit too much, actually that seems like way too much. I would try to find someone that's an expert in SEO.
     
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    tushardhoot1 Active Member

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    #9
    50k is too much to spend on it for sure.

    You have 3 options.

    1) Spend 50k and get it over with.
    2) Shop around and look for a lower price.
    3) Visit some Indian IT center websites and get them to quote it. It should be 40% or so of your original US price.
     
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    Mrwonder Active Member

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    Hi,
    If it was possible to make google or yahoo in 50K then there would have been hundreds and thousands of google and yahoo out there.
    It is not matter of money. Its all about developing new search technology and do it on right time as well. Now we all know what google does but if someone try to be successful with same formula and idea as google used then it is not possible.
    In my view it is job for a whole team to built a search engine like google (as much as possible) and then run and try it for beta period and then fix it again and again. In my experience that is long hard and tiring road. So 50K is nothing for this.
    It is better to develop new ideas rather then just be copycat.
    Thanks
     
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    sweetfunny Banned

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    I've got a crawler based search engine, that also employs a meta algo that utilizes Google, Yahoo, MSN results if you want to custom "mix" with your crawl data. Also has a pay per ranking formula, where site owners can pay to boost their results.

    Also has image search, news search, blog search, mp3 search etc. It ran me around $500 not $50k

    It returns very clean and related results, another 5k to have an algo specialist to tweak the spider and "document scoring" mechanisms would produce probably a far better system then your aiming for with $50k.

    If your guy was that good to warrant 50k i'd say one of the top 10 search engines would of snapped him up for their algo development team.

    Building a crawler/indexer/archiver is dead simple, pulling these for a query and displaying them in order of relevence and spam free is very difficult.
     
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    I dont know about you guys, but theres no way in hell id spend 50k on something unless i already knew in advance that it was bound for success.

    So i guess the answer to your question (for me) would have to be "yes"

    Good luck on your project though
     
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    I doubt it'd be worth spending 50k on a copy-cat website, think of something new if you want to profit...
     
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    Yes exactly, and 50k won't be the end of it. Yeah it might get you a nice engine, with fairly relevant results and then add an outlay for a small server farm and fast tubes.

    The second it gets popular, people will start exploiting and gaming your results and if you don't stay on top of it your results will turn to junk and there goes your reputation and userbase.

    You may not realise, but the ongoing efforts needed for algo development are going to be very extensive. Even Google today after all these years and billions in R&D still have problems with being gamed.

    50k is a bit to invest when i really don't think you're fully aware of what it involves to make it.

    I'd honestly look at a Niche based engine if you have your heart set on it, a general Google/Yahoo/MSN system will be one of the toughest businesses on the net to crack.
     
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    The price is right (+/- 1k).
    Is this a joke ?
    LOL ?
     
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    It depends how competitive you want your search engine to be.

    50k will get you a good start, it won't be a Google killer, but it should be perfectly usable to generate enough income to reinvest. Expect years of algo/code tweaking & reinvestment.

    Collecting & processing the data will take time & money. If i remember correctly, for every 3 million pages you will have to handle around 1 billion word instances.

    It will cost quite a bit for the servers & load balancers to run it on too.
    There are, of course, many shortcuts you could take, like dropping a percentage of the results on a temporary basis until you can buy more hardware to run the complete index.

    Good luck with your venture.


    pm me if you need any help.
     
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    You should post some details. This is like "I'm buying a car - is $10k the correct price". If you want a searchengine that can handle 10,000 document is way to much, if it should be a second google its not enough of course.
     
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    I think that it depends, how many hours your coder is willing to put into it, at what rate and how far he/she is willing to go with you along the way. (Will you have to pay for bug fixes later?) I have been building search engines in the past three years. I've built them all from scratch and I know that most of the bugs will come up to the surface later, well into the marketing phase. I've made over $200k with my search engines since I started building them, so I guess it worked out OK for me, though I didn't have to pay a coder to do the work for me. I know that there was/is much more potential in my search engines, but I'm not willing to spend more time on coding and money or marketing (branding, SEO, SEM, PPC etc.)
    I guess what I'm trying to say is that it depends on your business plan. How much you are willing to spend on the entire project and how much you expect this new search engine to make for you in the future.

    Good luck with your search engine!
     
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    I fully don't get that statement, you say your engine(s) have make $200k rolling under their own steam and know there's more potential under the hood yet won't pay a good SEO $5k-10k to unleash the full potential.

    In this case the ROI would be phenomenal if your earnings figure was remotely correct.
     
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    if your looking to do that i would make sure the codes he makes are unique and not googles
     
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