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Google Supplemental Index

Discussion in 'Google' started by markov, Jul 20, 2007.

  1. #1
    I've applied a tool to watch the link popularity and reported that
    Pages in Google Supplemental Index 89
    Pages in Google Main Index 0

    I didn't get what google supplemental index mean?
     
    markov, Jul 20, 2007 IP
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    Amator Well-Known Member

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    scoobby Active Member

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    #3
    that is too bad for you in other words your site is not indexed....
     
    scoobby, Jul 21, 2007 IP
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    desybabe Guest

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    #4
    A few pointers to avoid.

    same <title> on multiple pages
    same <meta keywords
    same <meta description
    not enough different copy on multiple pages

    This is not anything new or major, but it still surprises me at how many people still do this.

    Get a few deep links too, find some deep linking directories and put a few links to various pages within the site.
     
    desybabe, Jul 21, 2007 IP
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    sizzz Peon

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    when u say not the same meta description for example, will it count as the same if you only replace 2-3 words? like the only the name changes.
     
    sizzz, Jul 21, 2007 IP
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    mvandemar Notable Member

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    #6
    That doesn't have anything to do with supps.

    -Michael
     
    mvandemar, Jul 21, 2007 IP
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    oseymour Well-Known Member

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    #7
    Something you saw someone post on a forum......

    I tested for myself and changing titles and metas does not get your pages out of supplemental....Deep links are the only way to do it
     
    oseymour, Jul 21, 2007 IP
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    SEMSpot Peon

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    #8
    Start working on getting backlinks for the site and less time worry about a link popularity tool. You do not have to worry about your meta tags at all, google wants to see your site have relevance on the internet. Only way to achieve that is get more backlinks.
     
    SEMSpot, Jul 21, 2007 IP
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    trichnosis Prominent Member

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    #9
    the main criteria for the supp. results is page . you must build backlink to avoid from supplemental results
     
    trichnosis, Jul 21, 2007 IP
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    abraxas Well-Known Member

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    I agree - doing it in the moment; changing or having unique content and meta tags doesn't get you out! Try posting articles and dirs. with deep links to any supp. pages you have!
     
    abraxas, Jul 22, 2007 IP
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    #11
    Absolutely, deep links will help get you out, but remember that the same titles or meta tags and not enough unique content on several pages will help put you in there, in the first place.

    A link is an indicator to Google of the pages quality and therefore can help pop a page out of Supplemental. If the pages have too similar content etc, then it's possible for another page can drop into Supplemental as Google now think, "oh, this one with the link is the good content, lets put this other page that pretty much looks the same into Supplemental instead!"

    Get a deep link, AND make sure for unique content / title / meta tags.

    If pages tend towards Supplemental for a site, it's probably time to rethink the navigation and internal interlinking as being in the supplemental index is an indicator that your pages do not have enough page rank to share around.

    "Why I Love the Google's Supplemental Index"
    http://www.seobook.com/archives/002201.shtml

    Matt Cutts
    http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-hell/

    SEOMoz - Whiteboard Friday - "Supplementary My Dear Watson"
    http://www.seomoz.org/blog/whiteboard-friday-supplementary-my-dear-watson
     
    liamvictor, Jul 22, 2007 IP
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    students-forum Well-Known Member

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    How does one go about finding whether or not they are in the Supplemental Index?
     
    students-forum, Jul 22, 2007 IP
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    mvandemar Notable Member

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    #13
    No, none of that is true. Duplicate content has absolutely nothing to do with the supplemental index.

    -Michael
     
    mvandemar, Jul 22, 2007 IP
  14. liamvictor

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    #14
    Google have recently turned off the check to find the Supplemental pages
    site:www.site.com *** -lkjpoi
    Code (markup):
    Unfortunately that doesn't work right now. Hopefully Google will extend the functionality to webmaster central.

    You can still see which pages are NOT Supplemental like so:
    site:www.site.com/*
    Code (markup):
     
    liamvictor, Jul 22, 2007 IP
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    #15
    As it happens, I never said anything about "duplicate content".

    Your pages in the Supplemental index are those which Google has some issue with; that issue could be it isn't being passed enough internal link love, hence my further comment suggesting to rethink the navigation and internal interlinking, but too much similar content in titles and meta tags can also give Google a problem as it doesn't know which is the correct page to show for a search, it selects one of the options and the other can become Supplemental.

    Furthermore Aaron Wall of SEOBook says
     
    liamvictor, Jul 22, 2007 IP
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    mvandemar Notable Member

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    Yes, you did:

    Not could, is. That's all.

    Aaron Wall happens to be wrong as well.

    -Michael
     
    mvandemar, Jul 22, 2007 IP
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    #17
    Okay, I was being pedantic.

    I believe that several factors are at influence, with the strongest being any external links in, then internal page rank distribution and then the uniqueness of each page.

    With all else being equal (no external links) why would you say some pages on a blog go supplemental and others not when pages get the same internal link love from home page / archive sections?

    Also, having similar content is a problem for search engines knowing which page to serve and shoving some off to the Supplemental seems too neat a solution not to use for me!
     
    liamvictor, Jul 22, 2007 IP
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    #18
    Be that as it may, it is not the case. It doesn't matter how much it makes sense. You strongly believe it because it has been reinforced in your head time and time again. However, it has always been a misconception, and one that Google themselves confirmed recently.

    No two pages have exactly the same link strength. There are multiple factors that go into it, and it can actually vary from one day to the next.

    Google has a perfectly fine means of dealing with duplicate content. It's a duplicate content, or similar pages, filter... but it applied at the time of searching. It has to do with whether the &filter=0 parameter exists in the querystring or not.

    -Michael
     
    mvandemar, Jul 22, 2007 IP
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    godmode Well-Known Member

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    #19
    i totally agree with liamvictor that the first parameter to get into supplemental is purely based on duplicate text, title, keywords etc. Links has nothing to do with supplemental pages.

    Link however MIGHT help you get out of supplemetal after fixing up the errors.

    i again re-iterate Backlinks has nothing to do with supplemental. Oh gosh.
     
    godmode, Jul 23, 2007 IP
  20. mvandemar

    mvandemar Notable Member

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    Why do you continue to spout stuff you have no clue about? I'm not trying to be a dick here, but you keep doing it...

    Direct quote from Google:

    http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/06/duplicate-content-summit-at-smx.html

    The only way it is even a problem is if you have too many pages, causing you to have lower PageRank on each page, but in such a case it does not matter if they are exact duplicates or completely different.

    Please stop giving bad advice and spreading misinformation. Oh gosh.

    -Michael
     
    mvandemar, Jul 23, 2007 IP