Google seems to be dancing

By the way I found out why a lot of my sites had a lot more backlinks than I thought. I had a bug on a page that was showing links for closed menus. It seems like they were getting crawled.

Although it does show me that sitewides don't seem to be that dimished. These were intended as homepage only links and ended up as sitewides and counted as 1000 plus links in some cases.

I did fix the problem this evening, so I am interested to see if I get kicked in the teeth for it.

 

I am seeing some odd PR problems, posted it here:
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=380991#post380991

And to update this post, in this thread:
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=380952&postcount=740
I do think I am seeing some of the sites I link out to ranking where I should for terms I target...

But the good news is that the keyword tracker is showing me on the climb today for most kw phrases. Still not where I was, but any improvement is a good sign right now. Some non-competitives are ranking better too.

 

my site's pagerank got updated just a few hours ago, sub pages got pr but main page didnt change...so google is dancing for sure..

 

Sitewide links still boost your link count, they simply do not appear to boost your link weight.

 

I hate to shoot this down in flames but one of the major competitors of mine seems to have a large percentage of their google links from purchased footer links on completely unrelated sites. As far as I can tell they've profited from the recent the recent update. Rat bastages that they are

 

Yeah and I thought about it after what I said and what happened supports that fairly well.

Many of those sites ended up with more links than other sites because of the mistaken sitewide, but they ended up with lower pr.

Although I am sure there are graduating factors and more sitewides from multiple sites might have played out differently.

But a single sitewide with a lot of links doesn't seem to provide a lot of benefit... Although all my sites are relatively low PR still so not conclusive.

 

I'm convinced older sites are having a hard time of gaining pr. My main site has remained a pr5 since the pr thang came about. Buying and submitting hundreds of free links some pr 8's, 7's and more had not budged it. Yet sites of mine that have barely any backlinks score a pr4 or 5 the first update! WTF is up with that? I realise there is a reasonable explanation, but it's still hard to digest.

 

if thats the case im not going to pay for links anymore...

 

well me, i dont got a PR update and it sucks coz i been link building in the past 3 months.. linking to reputable and high pr sites.. but i guess it all goes down to number of links index by google... well its just my guess guys... correct me if im wrong

 

Yikes! Did you go to school in Arkansas?

where do we begin?

 

well its just my guess...

 

This update totally killed my site, I am even dropped from the index. This is terrible..

 

well I see a couple of KW creeping back in today. Nothing too grand yet - very non-competitive words hovering around #40. But it's improvement so just waiting for the others to come back now.

 

Just checking in...

My positions have been "fairly" stable (in the 700s) for a couple of days now.

I have seen times where as many as 8 datacenters show the page in the 400s but then they flop back to 700s.

I still firmly believe the page/site will bounce back to previous positioning, once Google has resolved it's "issues".

IMHO
Caryl

 

Caryl, do you believe G is having issues (please say so), or do you reckon this is what the results of phase 1 of the update were meant to be?

I really hope G is having unexpected issues as my sites have been f'd up majorly by it too. [also I reckon they were hit at the very early days of the update, before it was even mentioned here]

Would you contact G through the means that Matt Cutts suggested (reinclusion request), or just sit tight and wait out for the next couple of weeks (for the remaining 2 Jaggers)?

And no, I don't have scraper sites, just full home grown original content sites No black hat tricks that I know of.

 

I had a large chunk of words return today, but down in the page 3-4 range instead of page 1-2 range.

I am still down 50% of my words approximately.

 

Lucky,

I DID say so!

My site is IN the index - returned in the results somewhere in the 700s!

The request is for re-inclusion in the index not for "please put me back where I use to be in the results"

-just fun'in with you.

No, I have stated previously that I believe the current Google Event is more problematic than programatic. I have seen this too many times before to think differently about it.

As before, I will hold off doing ANYTHING until "the fat lady sings". As I , like many others, am losing $$$ right now, I sure hope this "Event" is at least past halftime.

SEO is a lot like playing Poker. All players have to make the best at what is dealt them. The good players know when to "hold 'em" and when to "fold 'em"

Lets see - how many other analogies can I fit into one post...

....have I mentioned the one about "waiting to see if the house falls in Kansas or in Oz, Dorothy"?

HOLD TIGHT is my advise.
Caryl

 

I have been monitoring my allins for my phrases, and they have been slowly rising after being dumped when the update started. It looks like my rankings are fairly consistent with my allinanchor: searches, and have been increasing proportionally to the increases in the allinanchors.

Hopefully the theory of google loosing a bunch of data will pan out. On that topic, these recent observations would suggest that google is rebuilding what was lost, as I haven't changed anything or acquired any new links since this whole thing started.

 

My SERPs dropped from top ten to either off the map or 700s and so
I contacted Google about whether my site had a penalty.

I got a response back from them today saying that no, I didn't have a penalty and my site is a PR 6 with really obscure baseball players listed and indexed. And when I do a search on these players, I either don't come out at all or I am in the 700 club.

It doesn't hurt to contact Google to see if you have a penalty. I am looking forward to Google Update #2 because it can't get any worse for me so might as well embrace it.

 

I don't see how this could be. If my pages actually exist in the index but are just ranked lower, I believe this has to do with an algorithm issue.