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Pagerank, what the numbers mean?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by my44, Sep 23, 2005.

  1. #1
    One of my website got PR of 3/10. Another is 0/10. What does the number really mean?

    I noted Google gets 10/10. Yahoo.com only 9/10, so is cnn.com. Anyone knows what other portals that score 10/10? Just curious.
     
    my44, Sep 23, 2005 IP
  2. obenix

    obenix Eats an apple a day......

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  3. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    I wouldn't recommend that paper -- it's almost as old as its author and it rambles on about PR leak.

    Try www.seobook.com instead -- you'll thank me.
     
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  4. maro

    maro Peon

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    #4
    as far as I know, pagerank is a number telling you how much backlinks you have and the quality of these backlinks! I couldn't find any other factor affecting the pagerank! And I think it is not that important as long as you are getting good traffic.
    I mean you might have a 0 pr and more traffic that a 5 or 6 pr
     
    maro, Sep 24, 2005 IP
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    puLse Peon

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    #5
    It's just a ranking that Google gives your website based on various factors
     
    puLse, Sep 25, 2005 IP
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    adresanet Peon

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    #6
    Can I get PR 4 or 5 from PR 0 after just step or calculation if I have more backlinks from PR 6 pages ?
     
    adresanet, Sep 25, 2005 IP
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    Old Welsh Guy Notable Member

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    #7
    No that is wrong sorry, it is a common misunderstanding.

    Firstly you must understand that every page has a page rank of 1 It doesn't show as such, but it does. (if a page didn't have a value then there would be NO pagerank at all as it has to start somewhere). A page can 'vote' (not lose) up to 85% of the value of itself in pagerank.

    The ONLY factor in pagerank is the value of the links pointing to a page. Relevance etc is NOT a factor, it is a PURE arithmatical calculation.

    Next understand that PR is not whole numbers, it doesnt jump from 1 to 2, it runs to many decimal numbers. e.g PR1 could be PR1.9999999 and a pr2 might be PR2.0000001 the difference between the value of these two pages is minute (o.ooooo2) so the value of a link from the pr1 page with 4 links would far outweigh the pr2 page with 10 links on it.

    PR doesn't stop at 10, as it goes up to 10.999999 (or however many decimal points). similarly there is almost no such thing as a PR0 page (apart from under penalty pages).

    So put it simply Pagerank is a value calculated by the totalling of the PR value of the links pointing to a page.
     
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  8. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    Good post, OWG (vBulletin says I have to spread reputation around before giving it to old bald stupid Welsh guys again :eek: ).

    All things being equal, you will get more PR passed to you from a PR6 page than from a PR 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 page. BUT... it also depends on how many other outgoing links are on that page. A page can only pass approximately 85% of its PR to other pages, and that value is divided equally among all the outgoing links on the page. Therefore, a PR3 page that has only 5 outgoing links will help you more than a PR6 page with 20 outgoing links.
     
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  9. Old Welsh Guy

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    All bow to the great king of savvy that is vBulletin :)
     
    Old Welsh Guy, Sep 25, 2005 IP
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    Which is more important the PR of home page or each of the pages. Also mine was at 4 went down to 3 and back to 4 again, what does it signify.
    Anand
     
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  11. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    It depends on which page is linking to you. I'd say that most sites will have maximum PR on the home page since for the average site at least that's where the majority of the external links willbe pointing. What is most important to you if you are the recipient of a link is what pages contains the link to your page - usually that will not be the other site's home page so that's irrelevant.

    Not much... some adjustment in the algorithm or new pages being added to the index or both. Happens all the time. What it probably means is that your page is a low PR4 (e.g., PR 4.000000001) which dipped to a high PR3 for a while (e.g., PR 3.9999998) and then back up to where it started.
     
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    Something Minstrel touched on, which directly links to something I posted earlier. The size of the index affects the value of PR. This is very very complicated, but when they introduce a bunch of new pages to the index they also introduce a whole lot of pagerank. Similarly it is now commonplace to see sites of 100,000 pages just go pop! This takes OUT 100,000 pagerank value, which knocks on an impacts on the values of all the pages those pages linked to and the pages those pages linked to.

    Like he said, if your toolbar PR went down one, then it is because you are a weak PR whatever number.

    Here is a tip though, the Google directory lists sites in the categories by PR Order or Alphabetically. Using this, you can see where you stand against your competitors.

    I should state though that as far as I am concerned toolbar PR is overvalued.
     
    Old Welsh Guy, Sep 25, 2005 IP
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    Very good and to the point OWG on both posts.

     
    Jim_Westergren, Sep 25, 2005 IP
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    #14
    concerntrate on getting quality links to your website, nobody who visits your site (apart from you) cares about or even knows about pagerank.
     
    martaay, Sep 26, 2005 IP
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    I always say link for relevant traffic, because that way, regardless of any other factors, you have relvant traffic.
     
    Old Welsh Guy, Sep 26, 2005 IP
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    I have hundreds of back links on Yahoo and MSN while only in 2 digits at Google, why is it so vastly different.
    Anand
     
    arounddelhi, Sep 26, 2005 IP
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    Because Google intentionally does not report all the backlinks, probably as a means of discouraging repeated queries and bogging down its servers.

    If the other two know about the backlinks, you can be pretty certain Google does too - it's just not telling you what it knows.
     
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  18. my44

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    Nice feedbacks from all of you, thanks a lot!

    I agree that it's a lot tougher to score with Google that it is to get 1st page listing on MSN and Yahoo.
     
    my44, Sep 26, 2005 IP
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    Page rank is not very important other than the fact that people rate your site's quality based on it. I have a pr 0 sites that right now get more traffic than my pr 5. Page rank looks good, but it is just a number. It is helpful when it comes to advertising though. Otherwise traffic has it beat.
     
    tesla, Sep 26, 2005 IP