How to know if a website is in sandbox or penalty?

- sites hosted on subdomains of non-penalized domains
- sites that receive weighty authority IBLs (CNN, BBC, etc)
- others?

 

sites hosted on subdomains of non-penalized domains - this answer is irrational. The sandbox is already considered a penalty. If you're trying to say "non-penalized" sites as in a site that has any other penalty than the sandbox, then even then the site won't rank at all, subdomain or not.

I fear, again, this is wrong information. It is known that the subdomain of a sandboxed site will evacuate all or almost all sandbox effect for sites that have LIGHT TO LIGHT-MEDIUM SANDBOX EFFECT, but will still be penalized if the subdomain exist before the sandbox penalty applies.

This is just partial, i fear even subdomains get swallwed in the sandbox and be considered "part" of the site by the sandbox penalty and not "apart" as it currently is soon.

I agree with you on the authority backlinks and as for the "others", there's a couple dozen other factors, all unknown by everyone except by a G! engineer.

 

Sorry, I think we are misunderstanding each other. If you have a site that has no penalty and is not in the sandbox (example.com) and you want to start a new site (widgets.example.com) -- there is very little chance that your widgets site will be penalized. I don't like the term sandbox since it really doesn't fit, but your new subdomain will not be sandboxed-- hence the spam.blogger.net effect. I do realize and agree that putting a subdomain on a site that is already penalized will have no positive effect.

 

Supposedly .gov, .mil and .edu domains aren't sandboxed either.

 

Exactly, I knew there was/ is a way. One of my new sites is humming right along (same one I refer to earlier in this post)...just over 1 month online!

 

You said the new site ranks for some keyphrases only. Are they competitive? The sandbox penalization seems to have different degrees of application depending on how competitive the phrase is. One of my newly launched sites is obviously penalized for the common terms but it ranks top-10 for a new product name because the name is not yet competitive.

If you are ranking for competitive terms, please.. share your voodoo

 

There are people that claim that their sites have never experienced the Sandbox, but from what I've seen, the sites mostly represent non-competitive and obscure search phrases.

I read an article a few weeks ago from someone who spoke with one of the Google engineers at the San Jose SES Conference. The engineer indicated that the Sandbox is triggered and not universally applied. He didn't elaborate as to what that is, but I suspect the trigger is aggressive link building or overuse of keyword phrases. Either of these could indicate an overly SEO'd site. But that still doesn't explain why so many new sites get Sandboxed.

 

Of course we are all operating on speculation here so let me explain my scenerio. I created 4 domains at the same time (about 1 month ago), 3 of them are sandboxed 1 of them is not...the one I refer to. The only difference from a seo perspective was link churning. One site has link churned ads pointing to it and the others did not.

Can't say for sure that's what did it but...

EDIT: Thanks earlpearl very informative, especially this page http://www.seomoz.org/articles/google-sandbox-analysis.php

 

Randfish, who occaisionally visits this forum has a sandbox detection tool at SEOMOZ. Give it a visit and check your site.

Dave

 

How can you make a tool and make it realiable if you don't know the exact factors that trigger the sandbox. This tool is built on the most popular "speculations" on the sandbox but there are well over a dozen other unknown factors that this tool does not account for.

p.s. but even again, i appreacite randfish's effort in trying to give us all a quantitative estimate of the sandbox effect. It doesn't serve any purpose, but it's still good to know eh?

 

I am little confused. I have been having my site for last 10 months or so. But still im have not been able to get top listing for non important keywords too. Although i have got PR3 ranking but how do i exactly increase my backlinks. Please give me information!

 

Sounds like us Canadian folk are rubbing off on you a bit, eh? .

 

Sadly, that tool never works for me.

It tells me there are people running the report ahead of me and so I need to wait 20-30 minutes. I let it sit for an hour, then it will give me a "can't retrieve report" error.

 

You don't need a tool to tell you if your in the sandbox or not. If you legitimately feel you have done enough SEO to your site to be ranked well (and it's at least been 3 months) yet you still rank at the bottom of the SERPs for your target keywords, your sandboxed.

 

Can anybody verify whether my site http://www.mesothelioma-india.com is in sandbox.

The site use to show when I searched for www.mesothelioma-india.com in Google a few days back. But now it doesn't.

Does that mean it's in sandbox?

Any way out?

Abhilash.

 

How old's the site?

 

I checked it quickly.

The problem with this site is that there is no links to it.

Link popularity:

Google: 0
Yahoo: 0
MSN: 2

If you don't get links to the site you won't rank at all.

 

i do agree with webmistress
i'd seen some website with link indexed in google but their domain is no where

 

Yes, I agree on that but only 2 links from some blog will not cut it.